[Spa2k]

Originally Posted by 823BMW

I personally went for a Top Safety Pick Plus 2017 Honda Accord for my teenager with the Honda Sensing system that will avoid a 25mph rear end collision.

Or do what a 2017 Civic I was test-driving did to me on the Interstate when the system malfunctioned and hit the brakes for me - HARD, and for no reason - in the middle of three lanes of 65-mph traffic. The sales guy said, "It happens all the time."

Teach your kids how the new nannies work - and even put them in situations to test them so they don't get surprised on the road - but don't ever let them believe that the nannies will replace real skills and save them from doing something stupid. I've actually heard parents say things like, "You really don't have to worry about other drivers, because all the safety features in this car will keep you from getting into an accident."

(Stepping off my soapbox now ... )

[hirkaismyname]

we did it guys -- we made it to reddit levels of witch-hunting.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

I'm with @chmura on this.. my daughter is in a 10 year old BMW.. not a 10 year old Honda..
The 10 year old BMW is absolutely a more solid car than a 10 year old Honda and perhaps more crashworthy than a 2017 Honda.

Even if could afford to put her in a 2017 BMW... the new car is so much faster.. and has so much more potential for *faster*... I wouldn't pay for a new vehicle and then watch something like this happen.. (Two high school girls died when their Macan GTS crashed into a tree)

http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/colli...eens/420425282

PS.. YES.. my daughter (or someone driving it) crashed her first car.. a 2001 E46 325 convertible.. into a red curb hard enough to cause the side airbag to deploy.
I was absolutely happy that she was in an E46 and not say.. an E90 335 convertible which would be even faster going into the curb..

I Said it incorrectly.

I agree with you I just was saying write the check if he thinks it it so easy to spend other people's money.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by 823BMW

Honda has been turning in really good crash results. The IIHS data for especially the last 5 years shows Honda's ACE body structure has performed very well with many more Top Safety Pick Plus ratings than BMW. Crashworthiness is also dependent on weight and size, which is one reason I don't mind too much that the M2 weighs in around 3500 pounds. Smaller cars don't do as well in matchups because of weight -- one of the reasons I talked myself out of a Certified Preowned i3 (with the M2, not to substitute -- just think the tech is cool). An older matchup test from the IIHS shows the weight difference:
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/news/deskto...onomy-policies

I personally went for a Top Safety Pick Plus 2017 Honda Accord for my teenager with the Honda Sensing system that will avoid a 25mph rear end collision.

Great link thanks for posting

[823BMW]

Originally Posted by Spa2k

Or do what a 2017 Civic I was test-driving did to me on the Interstate when the system malfunctioned and hit the brakes for me - HARD, and for no reason - in the middle of three lanes of 65-mph traffic. The sales guy said, "It happens all the time."

Teach your kids how the new nannies work - and even put them in situations to test them so they don't get surprised on the road - but don't ever let them believe that the nannies will replace real skills and save them from doing something stupid. I've actually heard parents say things like, "You really don't have to worry about other drivers, because all the safety features in this car will keep you from getting into an accident."

(Stepping off my soapbox now ... )

I know the systems are not perfect and my teen logged about ~2-3k supervised miles in it with his permit over many months in all kinds of situations. There have been some instances with the collision warning set to sensitive that you get some false warnings, but it has not activated collision mitigation braking. The road departure warning is very good and the adaptive cruise works very well (all part of the $1k Honda Sensing package). Overall, the systems never replace skills and attentiveness, but if they can save one road departure (single vehicle crash) or rear end collision, they are worth it. Also, accidents where we live in Florida are advertised like like winning lottery tickets on billboards by personal injury attorneys.

As much as I love cars, you always have to think about the temptations and the ability for a driver to control them, regardless of age. The M2 was too much of a temptation for the driver in the crash, whom I hope will recover from injuries. 4 cylinder Accords lessen the temptation.

[LBBF87]

Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

I Said it incorrectly.

I agree with you I just was saying write the check if he thinks it it so easy to spend other people's money.

Ha! Your a funny guy. You comment really pointless things, but still, funny.

I simply stated my opinion. The individual who said his kid was getting a ten year old Honda can do whatever he wants.

I simply believe like the past two posters have agreed with that modern cars, and or older higher end automobiles will survive a crash better then a ten year old Honda civic.

If you can't afford it, you can't afford it.

If you can, you can. Simple as that.

[SCOTT26]

Videos of the insanity as well as instagram are now in hands of the Police.
This will be interesting...

[Spa2k]

The media in the area of the crash has been pretty quiet, and there hasn't been much on the Facebook pages of his acquaintances either. I hope at least the driver and the victim are out of the hospital.

What color jumpsuits do the jails in the UK use? I hope he has a custom belt buckle with his initials to match. (See his Instagram page.)

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

I'm with @chmura on this.. my daughter is in a 10 year old BMW.. not a 10 year old Honda..
The 10 year old BMW is absolutely a more solid car than a 10 year old Honda and perhaps more crashworthy than a 2017 Honda.

You know, they test this sort of thing, so that we don't have to guess.

As it turns out, a 2007 Honda Civic performs better than the 2007 3-series in IIHS crash tests.

2007 Honda Civic
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/veh...oor-sedan/2007

Moderate overlap front G
Side G
Roof strength G
Head restraints & seats G

2007 3-Series
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/veh...oor-sedan/2007

Moderate overlap front G
Side G
Roof strength A
Head restraints & seats A

G = Good
A = Acceptable

I mean, buy your kid whatever you want. I don't give a damn if someone wants to buy their kid a Huayra. It's none of my business. But please, let's stop with the anecdote = data stuff.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

You know, they test this sort of thing, so that we don't have to guess.

As it turns out, a 2007 Honda Civic performs better than the 2007 3-series in IIHS crash tests.

2007 Honda Civic
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/veh...oor-sedan/2007

Moderate overlap front G
Side G
Roof strength G
Head restraints & seats G

2007 3-Series
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/veh...oor-sedan/2007

Moderate overlap front G
Side G
Roof strength A
Head restraints & seats A

G = Good
A = Acceptable

I mean, buy your kid whatever you want. I don't give a damn if someone wants to buy their kid a Huayra. It's none of my business. But please, let's stop with the anecdote = data stuff.

Oops you thought Civic ? Try Honda Fit.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

You know, they test this sort of thing, so that we don't have to guess.

As it turns out, a 2007 Honda Civic performs better than the 2007 3-series in IIHS crash tests.

2007 Honda Civic
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/veh...oor-sedan/2007

Moderate overlap front G
Side G
Roof strength G
Head restraints & seats G

2007 3-Series
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/veh...oor-sedan/2007

Moderate overlap front G
Side G
Roof strength A
Head restraints & seats A

G = Good
A = Acceptable

I mean, buy your kid whatever you want. I don't give a damn if someone wants to buy their kid a Huayra. It's none of my business. But please, let's stop with the anecdote = data stuff.

Get out of here with your facts!

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Oops you thought Civic ? Try Honda Fit.

So, you cross shopped a BMW and a Fit?

Sorry, I'm out. I thought we were having a rational discussion.

[ORIGIN M.]

You're Still Here? It's Over. Go Home!

[rouxeny]

Unfortunately, I don't always think there's a direct correlation between the "luxury level" of a car and it's crash worthiness. I am sure there are a bunch of 10 year old economy cars that would be better in a crash than a luxury car of the same time period. Hondas are pretty safe cars.

There's no argument that if you look at mean for cars, in terms of safety, it's improved dramatically over the past few decades. So a modern Civic is certainly safer than a 10 year old one, and most likely safer than almost every other car from that time.

My kid is going to get a newer generation economy car. Sensible and safe. If needed, I'll put the M2 keys in a safe.

[BlkD12agon]

Wow

[M2 Blur]

I find myself checking on this thread for nothing other than an update on the driver and passenger. I haven't seen any updates toward their status. Anyone have any news?

This incident created all kinds of reactions. We all have our opinions, positions on safety, car crash ratings, maturity, age, responsible driving, driving skills... but I only see this as a wake up call to some, compassion for the passenger and that thankfully other vehicles weren't involved.

[Brake_Late]

Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

You're Still Here? It's Over. Go Home!

[ORIGIN M.]

Because, Race Car!

Originally Posted by Brake_Late

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[jtfields]

Originally Posted by M2 Blur

I find myself checking on this thread for nothing other than an update on the driver and passenger.

Same here.

[Spa2k]

There have been no updates in the news media in the area where this happened or the social media sites in the UK that originally discussed this crash, despite people asking for updates. Hopefully someone in the UK or Scotland will post an update on a public site somewhere.

[tonyb.ca]

Originally Posted by BoosTonian

Maybe BMW will now offer carbon ceramics on the m2 to help cut down stopping distance..

What? You think carbon ceramics would have stopped this idiot faster than the tree did? I am not so convinced.

[Spa2k]

Actually, he mowed down several trees. And I'm not convinced either - carbon ceramic brakes would only have given him additional, more-expensive parts to destroy. The score of this game would not have changed.

Physics: 1
Cozza: 0