[P-Bass]

Originally Posted by MR.

Camaro? Mustang? really... brilliant for burnouts, but do not try to go through a corner with those things. Tried the new V8 Mustang. Lot of car for its money but the only thing I really liked was the line lock feature.

Cayman is a lot more expensive than the M2 and less powerful. And it misses two seats in the back.

MR

Read these than reevaluate. While I'll probably end upon in a M2, don't write off the Camaro SS as a redneck hot rod. The Alpha chassis from the ATS is excellent, combined with a Corvette engine, nothing to laugh about nor ignore.


http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...s-first-drive/

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...erman-raceway/

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2016-...rd-mustang-gt/

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...omparison-test

[MR.]

As said I have not driven the new Camaro yet, but still BMW <-> Chevrolet...

MR

[P-Bass]

Originally Posted by MR.

As said I have not driven the new Camaro yet, but still BMW <-> Chevrolet...

MR

So you haven't driven it, but have an opinion on it? Great,I can see you're a reliable source for information.

[Spook410]

Well.. it is, of course, our goal in life to be a reliable source of information for you.


Or maybe we're just chatting about cars and trying not to be dicks..

[P-Bass]

Originally Posted by Spook410

Well.. it is, of course, our goal in life to be a reliable source of information for you.


Or maybe we're just chatting about cars and trying not to be dicks..

Glass house & stone throwing, think about it....

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by MR.

I feel I am talking to a group of US based people here. I know the price of my M2, I even know when it is coming and a GT350... Tsja a Mustang. I never thought of buying one in favor of a BMW. I think it is a European thing. Special Edition Mustangs tend to become ridiculous expensive via cross import. As far as I know we do not even have the GT350 as a standard dealer model.

MR

That could be - I know nothing about the EU pricing model for American imports - the price just hasn't been officially announced for us here in the US yet, so it's tough to add pricing into the mix.

There's a thread that suggests the MSRP will be 51k or something like that, but I would be really surprised if it came in only 7K more than the 235. That makes a difference for sure in my mind, where it comes in....

[MR.]

Originally Posted by PSA955

So you haven't driven it, but have an opinion on it? Great,I can see you're a reliable source for information.

The old one I did, not the new one as I have mentioned before. We do not have the new one yet in Europe, so I could not have driven it yet.

So I am a reliable source for information based on the information I able to achieve and the cars I am able to drive.

MR

[MR.]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

That could be - I know nothing about the EU pricing model for American imports - the price just hasn't been officially announced for us here in the US yet, so it's tough to add pricing into the mix.

There's a thread that suggests the MSRP will be 51k or something like that, but I would be really surprised if it came in only 7K more than the 235. That makes a difference for sure in my mind, where it comes in....

For you US guys makes it an excellent comparison at that price range. Unfortunately, I do not see that happen here in Europe yet. First see this new Camaro landing here in Europe before we can give it a go.

I have not even seen the new Camaro yet. It has not been at any European car show I believe and I have not been to LA this year.

MR

[Aloha Joe]

Aloha, first post here. I've been lurking Bimmerpost for a long time now as I was very interested in acquiring a M4 through Euro Delivery. However due to the near future arrival of the M2. A car that would more than suit my needs in Hawaii but at a lower cost, it's become my #1 choice. Got my wife's blessing and we already discussed future dates for ED or PCD and drive cross country to ship from CA to Hawaii.

Originally Posted by MR.

Guys, in all honesty...

Can someone please name me one competitor car in the M2 price range with RWD and the performance from the M2?

Do not look at second vehicles.... Only new models! I have been thinking and I cannot find any car that delivers the same kind of refinement, RWD and package for the price tag of the M2.


MR

Like MR above, I felt the M2 was the only option in its price class but now there maybe another choice.

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/201...py-photos-news

With the starting price in the most likely low $40k range, 400hp & 350tq, TT engine. This Q60 definitely has me reconsidering my position.

[Seagull]

Originally Posted by Aloha Joe

Aloha, first post here. I've been lurking Bimmerpost for a long time now as I was very interested in acquiring a M4 through Euro Delivery. However due to the near future arrival of the M2. A car that would more than suit my needs in Hawaii but at a lower cost, it's become my #1 choice. Got my wife's blessing and we already discussed future dates for ED or PCD and drive cross country to ship from CA to Hawaii.



Like MR above, I felt the M2 was the only option in its price class but now there maybe another choice.

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/201...py-photos-news

With the starting price in the most likely low $40k range, 400hp & 340tq, TT engine. This Q60 definitely has me reconsidering my position.

Actually -
"Base-model Q60s will utilize the same 241-hp turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder as Mercedes-Benz’s C-class"

[Aloha Joe]

As of now, the 4 cylinder is only confirmed by Infiniti for the Q50. C&D assumes that this will be the base engine for the Q60 as well, and while it may prove to be true, I'd only be interested in the V6 TT only.

[sgrinavi]

Originally Posted by MR.

As said I have not driven the new Camaro yet, but still BMW <-> Chevrolet...

MR

I used to think that too, but I think BMW is starting to become the Chevrolet of DE. Pretty mainstream stuff for the most part and I have not been very happy with the local dealerships or the way that BMW is standing by some of their shenanigans.

[Romo]

As a former 1M owner, and currently driving a Cayman GTS, as much as I do like the GTS exterior, interior, engine noise, brake power, I do have problems with finding an adequate seating position and more just how it does steer, the thin steer feels awful to me over and over again.

I just can not get used to its steering character and the lack of feeling a thick steer in my hands, so I`m turning it in for the M2

After an E46 M3, E92 M3 and E82 1M, I`m going back to BMW, to me the better DD, better seats, better steering thickness, the Porker is not a bad car, but you `ll have to drive it hard to get the best out of it, then it really shines IMO.

Some will find a Cayman an alternative to an M2, for me it`s the other way around.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Romo

As a former 1M owner, and currently driving a Cayman GTS, as much as I do like the GTS exterior, interior, engine noise, brake power, I do have problems with finding an adequate seating position and more just how it does steer, the thin steer feels awful to me over and over again.
I just can not get used to its steering character and the lack of feeling a thick steer in my hands, so I`m turning it in for the M2
After an E46 M3, E92 M3 and E82 1M, I`m going back to BMW, to me the better DD, better seats, better steering thickness, the Porker is not a bad car, but you `ll have to drive it hard to get the best out of it, then it really shines IMO.
Some will find a Cayman an alternative to an M2, for me it`s the other way around.

Whoa, man. Bold move. Welcome back to the Bimmerworld.

What about upgrading to the exquisite Cayman GT4 ? Production has been increased, so you might still get one with some luck.

Can't speak for others, but gonna get that ///M Performance steering wheel (but without those paddles ).

[Romo]

Well, for the cost of a GT4 I can drive 2 M2`s

So not really an alternative, the 1M was the best Bimmer I`ve ever driven, I do expect the M2 to be even or even top it, so I will order blindly.

[Big Tuna]

Originally Posted by Romo

As a former 1M owner, and currently driving a Cayman GTS, as much as I do like the GTS exterior, interior, engine noise, brake power, I do have problems with finding an adequate seating position and more just how it does steer, the thin steer feels awful to me over and over again.

I just can not get used to its steering character and the lack of feeling a thick steer in my hands, so I`m turning it in for the M2

After an E46 M3, E92 M3 and E82 1M, I`m going back to BMW, to me the better DD, better seats, better steering thickness, the Porker is not a bad car, but you `ll have to drive it hard to get the best out of it, then it really shines IMO.

Some will find a Cayman an alternative to an M2, for me it`s the other way around.

You've decided that a car you've never driven is better than a Cayman GTS?

[bikernate]

Originally Posted by Big Tuna

You've decided that a car you've never driven is better than a Cayman GTS?

I don't want to be a dick, but really? Read his post again. It starts with "as a former 1m owner".. I think he stated his reasoning very well, and it's great perspective for those of us who were considering both cars.

[Romo]

Originally Posted by Big Tuna

You've decided that a car you've never driven is better than a Cayman GTS?

It is obvious that the Cayman is the better sportscar, is quicker on the NS compared to a M2, but quicker isn`t always better, that is how most people are reacting.

But the question has to be; which of the 2 cars will suit me the best?

For me the answer is clear, and it is not the Cayman, although (and I said this in my previous post) is a very good car, but not the car I`m happy with. That`s it, no more no less.

I do have som some driving history with ///M, so I`m comming back.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Romo

It is obvious that the Cayman is the better sportscar, is quicker on the NS compared to a M2, but quicker isn`t always better, that is how most people are reacting.

But the question has to be; which of the 2 cars will suit me the best?

For me the answer is clear, and it is not the Cayman, although (and I said this in my previous post) is a very good car, but not the car I`m happy with. That`s it, no more no less.

I do have som some driving history with ///M, so I`m comming back.

Good to hear that you are excited to come back to BMW.

I am not crazy about the steering wheel on my 981CS either, but I think TechArt makes some nice alternatives - not a bad choice either way.

[Big Tuna]

Originally Posted by Romo

It is obvious that the Cayman is the better sportscar, is quicker on the NS compared to a M2, but quicker isn`t always better, that is how most people are reacting.

But the question has to be; which of the 2 cars will suit me the best?

For me the answer is clear, and it is not the Cayman, although (and I said this in my previous post) is a very good car, but not the car I`m happy with. That`s it, no more no less.

I do have som some driving history with ///M, so I`m comming back.

What color m2 do you want? I'll trade you for the GTS

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Romo

As a former 1M owner, and currently driving a Cayman GTS, as much as I do like the GTS exterior, interior, engine noise, brake power, I do have problems with finding an adequate seating position and more just how it does steer, the thin steer feels awful to me over and over again.

I just can not get used to its steering character and the lack of feeling a thick steer in my hands, so I`m turning it in for the M2

After an E46 M3, E92 M3 and E82 1M, I`m going back to BMW, to me the better DD, better seats, better steering thickness, the Porker is not a bad car, but you `ll have to drive it hard to get the best out of it, then it really shines IMO.

Some will find a Cayman an alternative to an M2, for me it`s the other way around.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Big Tuna

You've decided that a car you've never driven is better than a Cayman GTS?

If you go read reviews of the 1M.. you will find that, at 53K.. many preferred it over the 76K dollar Porsche Cayman R.... Note that the Cayman S at the time should have been the direct competitor for the 1M.

If you don't believe how Romo could have come to this decision then simply start pulling up 1M reviews..

I have no doubt that the 1M will be compared to the GTS.. or maybe even the GT4..... surely that will probably happen.. .unless BMW announces M2 CSL info first to stop the auto review mags from comparing them.

I can see the Motor Trend.. Mustang GT350 vs M2 vs Cayman GTS article already..