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      03-27-2017, 07:05 PM   #67
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I'm gonna daily WRX no matter what car I buy for the weekend car btw lol.
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      04-01-2017, 10:12 AM   #68
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Honestly the STI makes no sense as a modern car. I've owned one and driven many, and in their current iteration they are a bit ridiculous.

The absolute best STI is the 06-07 model year. This is where the weight and size meet modern elements in the interior and it all kind of works. After that, Subaru just keeps piling weight on and making it worse. GR interior quality is terrible, and they finally straightened that out in the latest iteration.

Fast forward to today, we have the exact same EJ257 motor that was found in the 2004 STI. 5hp more than over a decade ago. And just more weight. It has a nice interior now, but the older cars are much more fun to drive.

If you want a modern Subaru I'd honestly get the WRX which has a better motor and is 9 tenths the STI for less money.

Mine was fun, but honestly not as fun as the older years. And the new models are much of the same. Do yourself a favour and find an 06 or 07 STI limited or just go with a new WRX.

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STIs and M2s aren't in the same league... And that's coming from an heavily tuned MY13 STI with an M2 on order...
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      04-01-2017, 10:39 PM   #70
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Honestly the STI makes no sense as a modern car. I've owned one and driven many, and in their current iteration they are a bit ridiculous.

The absolute best STI is the 06-07 model year. This is where the weight and size meet modern elements in the interior and it all kind of works. After that, Subaru just keeps piling weight on and making it worse. GR interior quality is terrible, and they finally straightened that out in the latest iteration.

Fast forward to today, we have the exact same EJ257 motor that was found in the 2004 STI. 5hp more than over a decade ago. And just more weight. It has a nice interior now, but the older cars are much more fun to drive.

If you want a modern Subaru I'd honestly get the WRX which has a better motor and y.is 9 tenths the STI for less mone

Mine was fun, but honestly not as fun as the older years. And the new models are much of the same. Do yourself a favour and find an 06 or 07 STI limited or just go with a new WRX.

Yep, I'm taking delivery of new WRX next week and sell my 128i to save up for M2 CS!!!
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I had 03, 05,06,15 Evo and 09wrx, 10Sti SE and those cars are good for it's time but modern cars now blow them out of the water. Only reasoning to go old is for the old car feel such as steering, tranny feel stiff before warming up lol, throttle cable feel and etc.

If I was in that WRX/STI market, I'd strongly suggest looking at the Focus RS, Golf R, and Civic Type R.
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As an owner of a 17 STI, I'd get the M2. I got the sti as my daily, since it snows where I live, and figured I wanted a fun car if I'm going to spend 25+ min on my daily commute, each way. It's fun, handles well, but it's a damn loud car haha though my car did come with the upgraded spt factory exhaust. But it's a damn loud car. Fuel economy is not ideal (averaging 20-21 mpg, and I drive fairly conservatively). It's not the fastest car out there, and I doubt it's as fast as a M2. But with 4 seasons, I chose to go the sti route.

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      04-11-2017, 06:38 PM   #73
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As an owner of a 17 STI, I'd get the M2. I got the sti as my daily, since it snows where I live, and figured I wanted a fun car if I'm going to spend 25+ min on my daily commute, each way. It's fun, handles well, but it's a damn loud car haha though my car did come with the upgraded spt factory exhaust. But it's a damn loud car. Fuel economy is not ideal (averaging 20-21 mpg, and I drive fairly conservatively). It's not the fastest car out there, and I doubt it's as fast as a M2. But with 4 seasons, I chose to go the sti route.

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That is decent MPG for a STi. I averaged 16 MPG in my 2010 and only saw 20-21 MPG on multihour highway trips.
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      04-12-2017, 01:38 AM   #74
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The M2 is a much better car....as it should...it's in a higher tier of cars. Its faster, looks better, better interior, better tech, more unique and list goes on and on. The STI is a car that is better suited for those looking for a lot of performance at a cheaper price. The M2 is a grown up car and the STI well... not so much. Again all my opinion.
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      04-17-2017, 07:24 PM   #75
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Ok guys. I've been driving my WRX for a few days and still have 128i on the side to drive occasionally. One thing I can tell you is that even though 128i was the cheapest BMW at the time, it still beats WRX in quality of the build for sure. I don't know if I like turbo 4 cylinders compared to NA 6 cylinders either. Overall, I do like 128i better and I'm pretty sure M2 will be 100 times better if 128i is better than WRX with some added STI goodies. Well, my choice, my liability I guess. I'm gonna daily WRX and buy M2 CS/GTS on a side for sure if those are manuals.
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I had an STi ('11) before I traded in on my M235i, but I have driven the M2. The '17 Sti has a nicer interior than mine did. if you did a Stage 1 tune with the Cobb Accessport on the STI, it will be faster than the M2, for about 1K.
I've seen a couple dyno graphs of '16 and '17 STI on Cobb Accessport which also included downpipes. They put down 296WHP/360TQ and 300WHP/330TQ. A bone stock M2 puts down ~330/360. Sure, the STI will be quicker off the line but the M2 is an overall faster car. M2 traps 113 mph, STI traps 105. A stage 1 tune won't make it gain 8 mph through the traps.
on top of that a roll race would make it 10x worse. no chance in hell a tuned sti will beat a stock m2. add to that the m2 isnt built with quality of kinder surprise toy....ya m2 over sti any day.
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      01-16-2018, 11:50 PM   #77
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I traded in a 2015 STi for my 2018 M2. The STi ownership experience was pretty disappointing. The car is pretty much a piece of junk compared to the BMW. The only redeeming thing about the STi was the resale value. In 2015 the only competition the STi had was the Golf R, which only came in DSG. If I had the options available today, and wanted a sub-$40k car I’d pick the Focus RS.

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      01-17-2018, 05:03 PM   #78
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I had a 2016 STI before my 2018 M2 i currently own. Both are very fun cars, but i think the M2 has much more character. Unless you're buying the car cash, the M2 will be ultimately more expensive monthly (insurance etc.)
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      02-02-2018, 02:44 PM   #79
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A little late to the discussion but I currently have a 2011 STI hatch and just picked up the M2. Looking to sell the STI but do need to keep a second car as a 2WD car even with good winters will not make it up my driveway when it snows. I just don't see myself using the M2 as a year round car here in Vancouver like I did with my STI but if you live in a drier/warmer area, it's certainly feasible.

Right off the bat, just moving the cars in the parking lot you'll find that the clutch feel, steering feel, and shifter feel are all better in the STI. If you go with the MDCT, 2/3 don't matter though :P As a daily driver the M2 can get much better fuel economy if you aren't driving aggressively. A lot of others have mentioned NVH but I find that the 2015+ STI are actually pretty good and even rides better than the F87. If you are comparing to a 2005 then yes the M2 is miles ahead in terms of NVH, 2018 vs 2018 not so much.

For me, the main reason for getting rid of the STI is that tracking it got boring. The AWD is amazing and intuitive but also makes things too easy. That car doesn't scare me any more, the M2 with all the assists off is a much more thrilling car. At the end of the day, it's such an apples to oranges comparison but if you have no NEED to go with the STI (budget, back seat, awd) then why not M2?
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i currently drive a '15 STi, and came from an E90 330i (6MT, sport package) that i purchased new prior to the subie. a few thoughts, since now i'm also looking at a potential M2 or M3:

-My STi was a base model, and at ~33k, I felt that it offers fairly good value. at 40k for a limited, or 50k for a Type RA, I would start looking at alternatives
-Yes it's an econobox, but it feels "special"---very raw, mechanical
-I track the car, but it offers quite a bit of utility (can fit mtn bikes, people etc)
-it's very easy to drive at a fairly fast pace on the track w/ this car even w/ the driving aids off. Turn 3 at Thunderhill is really off camber, and the tenacious grip of the car really shines


although it's a nice package, i don't think it can take too much track abuse the way a cayman/boxster or 911 can, or to a lesser extent, an M3/M2.
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I went from a 2017 M3 ZCP to a 2020 STI. Always wanted a STI, and when they announced 2020 was the last year I decided to give it a go. S55 is a lot faster, but the STI is much easier to drive at the limit. It’s almost boring at the track, because the car is so safe. Understeers at the limit what instantly correct with lift off. Always traction coming out of corners. I do miss my BMW though. STI attracts the wrong crowds. Loud ricer tuned cars pull up next to you all the time with thumbs up, or wanting to race. I’m to old for that! Lol. So I’m probably going back to a M car soon. Debating if I should wait for the new M3/4, or get a good deal on a M2...

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I went from a 2017 M3 ZCP to a 2020 STI. Always wanted a STI, and when they announced 2020 was the last year I decided to give it a go. S55 is a lot faster, but the STI is much easier to drive at the limit. It’s almost boring at the track, because the car is so safe. Understeers at the limit what instantly correct with lift off. Always traction coming out of corners. I do miss my BMW though. STI attracts the wrong crowds. Loud ricer tuned cars pull up next to you all the time with thumbs up, or wanting to race. I’m to old for that! Lol. So I’m probably going back to a M car soon. Debating if I should wait for the new M3/4, or get a good deal on a M2...

I know what you mean. I bought a '18 STi Limited and quickly realized I was too damn old for all the riff raff the car attracted. It was disappointing too because I wanted an STi for about 15 years and when I finally got it, I realized I waited too long to appreciate it.

I'm by all means not an expert driver but I can say the STi will be a lot more fun on the track with some suspension upgrades and an alignment. I did 3 track days in mine when it was 100% stock and also felt sort of bored with it. I then did RCE Bilsteins and yellows with a rear sway bar. That really woke up the car and got rid of most of the understeer.
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The absolute best STI is the 06-07 model year.
Incorrect.

The only year STi to have is 2005. The 2004 was a bastard, and the 2006/07 got heavier, uglier, and had engine problems (none of which were on the 2005).
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The only year STi to have is 2005. The 2004 was a bastard, and the 2006/07 got heavier, uglier, and had engine problems (none of which were on the 2005).
Not a bad looking STi but I'm with stefan on this. The hawkeyes were the best looking of STi's offered in the US. And I didn't realize there were EJ25 engine problems in any year
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Not a bad looking STi but I'm with stefan on this. The hawkeyes were the best looking of STi's offered in the US. And I didn't realize there were EJ25 engine problems in any year
The eyes were the best, no doubt, but the pig nose was terrible.

And the engine problems started in 2006. There are endless debates about it, but something was changed, and the issues started. The 2005's had no such problems, many of them being Stage 2, beat like a redheaded step-child, and over 100,000 miles without an issue or new clutch. Impossible to beat in any of the following years.

The only issue the 2005 STi had was the tiny turbo oil-feed pipe could snap if you happened to put on an aftermarket exhaust that moved around a lot more than the original. Believe it or not, most of them were heavier, especially at the muffler end, which caused the issue. Stock cars don't have the issue.

I'd trade most any car for a pristine 2005 STi, but as much as I love it, I believe the M2 has it beat overall.
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There was something about the late 90s early 00s Japanese performance cars that was 'just right'. I think it was the balance between weight/creature comforts, power/grip, price/reliability. They were just a lot of 'fun'. The Evo IX, the 2L 'blob eye' STI, the Silvia, the S2000, the Integra Type R, the NSX.. I mean what the f* happened to Japan and it's performance car industry since hey? And BMW weren't doing too bad with the E46 M3 either.

The 'feel' you get from them is different to what you get from cars now and collectors are starting to appreciate this so good examples are getting pricey.

For current cars, with the peace of mind of warranty, the M2C is fantastic, and beats that new gen STI any day. For 'fun' I think. If you don't mind the looks and can give up the front wheel drive preconceptions, then the Civic Type R is the nearest you will get to those 'old' cars. Or to put the cat amongst the pigeons.. a competitor could be the 2L turbo Cayman T. That turbo isn't as bad as every keyboard warrior points out. It is quite an impressive piece of engineering, and the chassis is sublime.

Drive them and see what floats your boat! Good luck!

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There was something about the late 90s early 00s Japanese performance cars that was 'just right'. I think it was the balance between weight/creature comforts, power/grip, price/reliability. They were just a lot of 'fun'. The Evo IX, the 2L 'blob eye' STI, the Silvia, the S2000, the Integra Type R, the NSX.. I mean what the f* happened to Japan and it's performance car industry since hey? And BMW weren't doing too bad with the E46 M3 either.
You said it.
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The Evo IX, the 2L 'blob eye' STI, the Silvia, the S2000, the Integra Type R, the NSX.. I mean what the f* happened to Japan and it's performance car industry since hey?
Yeah, they left the game mostly to chase volume.
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