[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by 3Si

This ^

Seriously, it doesn't take skill to step on a clutch and shift. What did take skill in the past was heel/toe and double clutch which I did with my previous cars. Really don't see how it takes more skill... Does it require more steps? Sure.

Takes a lot more skill to master the race line, hitting the apex, vision, trail brake... I've never heard an instructor say, you need to work on your shifting skill.

Hahahahaha! " I've never been corrected like this so it never happens!? "

It seems that you must shift pretty well!

Because absolutely there are people that don't shift properly, Yes instructors comment to students on it ... and yes it typically involves the timing of when they depress the clutch.

I'm not talking about grinding gears here... a little higher level than that ...

[cookiesowns]

I very nearly bought a DCT M2 instead of a 6MT. Very glad I didn't.

The 6MT is soooooo sublime on the M2. You can granny shift as much as you want and you barely have to put in any effort, or if you want to do it all yourself with no nannies you can do that too!

Only thing I hate is the short 6th gear.

I love it.

[Artemis]

530 individual votes: still 3/5 manual and 2/5 M-DCT:

• 326 out of 530 = 61.51%: manual transmission;
• 204 out of 530 = 38.49%: M-DCT Drivelogic.

[JustChris]

So I'm 300 miles in with DCT now. I think it's just me but...the F87 DCT seems to move between D and R a shade quicker. Actually it's summer right...even in the uk I recall on the M4 the DCT was slow mainly when cold starting in winter? Experienced M2 winter owners, is this the same pretty much?

Cheers.

Loving the car, shame I held off for so long but hey ho. In it now!!!!

[chambolle]

Originally Posted by coaxial

The gear suggestion, mpg readout were the second items I turned off, after the auto start stop.

Forgive the stooopid question, but how to turn off the gear change 'suggestion'? It drives me nuts, and reminds me of a dog poop brown Rabbit I drove for a short time about 40 years ago. Plus the damned thing thinks I should be in 6th going about 35 mph uphill.

[izzyM2]

I'm no stranger to manuals (NX2000, STI, Miata's, etc) all cars I had in manual and they are indeed all fun. But the smart replacement for it is BMW's DCT, not VW's DSG or Porsche's PDK. Only BMW's DCT can replace the manual. Where the proper movement is to pull to upshift and push to downshift and when you feel the quick upshifts with purposeful acceleration and continues the enjoyment slowing down from 4th to 3rd and 2nd even at 1st, popping and burping at 10 mph traffic while my wife keep hitting me on the shoulder embarrassed from other drivers staring at us, that is still a fun way to drive. Is the manual funner when you are sitting in traffic which is half the time in SoCal? I'm not entirely sure?

[dasblack]

Originally Posted by izzyM2

I'm no stranger to manuals (NX2000, STI, Miata's, etc) all cars I had in manual and they are indeed all fun. But the smart replacement for it is BMW's DCT, not VW's DSG or Porsche's PDK. Only BMW's DCT can replace the manual. Where the proper movement is to pull to upshift and push to downshift and when you feel the quick upshifts with purposeful acceleration and continues the enjoyment slowing down from 4th to 3rd and 2nd even at 1st, popping and burping at 10 mph traffic while my wife keep hitting me on the shoulder embarrassed from other drivers staring at us, that is still a fun way to drive. Is the manual funner when you are sitting in traffic which is half the time in SoCal? I'm not entirely sure?

Yes, it's still funnier.

[Transcon]

Originally Posted by jdarwin

Skillful shifting in a 2017 M2? Please. I have a 4 speed 1976 2002. Now THAT'S a manual transmission. Oh, and no power steering either.

Couldn't agree more, did 230 miles thru the canyons in my 1974 2002Tii today and can confirm driving one well does take some skill to master. But (as you know) once you do there is nothing better.

That said, my M2 is a 3 pedal as well 👍🏼

[MagnusT]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Hahahahaha! " I've never been corrected like this so it never happens!? "

It seems that you must shift pretty well!

Because absolutely there are people that don't shift properly, Yes instructors comment to students on it ... and yes it typically involves the timing of when they depress the clutch.

I'm not talking about grinding gears here... a little higher level than that ...

I've been an instructor for 10+ years and I have NEVER had to comment anyones shifting in any way. But maybe it comes down again to how different we approach manuals in Europe vs US.

[Ktmdriver]

Manual gear boxes should be mandatory for anyone that have mistakenly stepped on the gas pedal instead of the brake. Especially those that have driven through a crowd of people or ended up in the lobby of the local fast food establishment. The reasoning is a MT requires more thinking and coordination with feet/hands, clutch/throttle/, gear lever position thus preventing tragic accidents.

That being said, I chose the DCT simply because I shift a motorcycle 10 hours a day and
like the gear change speed of the DCT. The DCT feels like a bike, less movement of hands from gear lever to steering wheel.

[six-n-twins53]

Originally Posted by 3Si

This ^

Seriously, it doesn't take skill to step on a clutch and shift. What did take skill in the past was heel/toe and double clutch which I did with my previous cars. Really don't see how it takes more skill... Does it require more steps? Sure.

Takes a lot more skill to master the race line, hitting the apex, vision, trail brake... I've never heard an instructor say, you need to work on your shifting skill.

Ever seen a race where someone miss shifted? Of course you have. Doesn't happen in the automatic m2. Computer does it for you. Don't have to worry about when to shift, missing a gate or anything else. Computer makes sure you're in the sweet spot. Sure you can hit the paddles if you choose to. But don't pretend like driving a proper manual takes the same skill as an automatic. It's faster because it takes much of the human element out of it. Why in the world would anyone want to be less involved driving their car?

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by six-n-twins53

Ever seen a race where someone miss shifted? Of course you have. Doesn't happen in the automatic m2. Computer does it for you. Don't have to worry about when to shift, missing a gate or anything else. Computer makes sure you're in the sweet spot. Sure you can hit the paddles if you choose to. But don't pretend like driving a proper manual takes the same skill as an automatic. It's faster because it takes much of the human element out of it. Why in the world would anyone want to be less involved driving their car?

Put all the electronic nannies off and then we'll talk about being involved driving our car

Cheers
Robin

[pissclams]

Originally Posted by six-n-twins53

Ever seen a race where someone miss shifted? Of course you have. Doesn't happen in the automatic m2. Computer does it for you. Don't have to worry about when to shift, missing a gate or anything else. Computer makes sure you're in the sweet spot. Sure you can hit the paddles if you choose to. But don't pretend like driving a proper manual takes the same skill as an automatic. It's faster because it takes much of the human element out of it. Why in the world would anyone want to be less involved driving their car?

Why in the world do you care what others want out of their driving experience?

[Dav3]

My honest opinion

If the M2 is your weekend car or your commute involves no traffic, MT is the only option you should consider

If however you DD it and also get stuck in traffic a lot... DCT all the way.

[six-n-twins53]

Originally Posted by pissclams

Why in the world do you care what others want out of their driving experience?

I don't really. But this is a car forum with a poll asking a question about manual versus automatic...

And just like you gracing this forum with your opinions, so have I. Although with actual substance.

[six-n-twins53]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

Put all the electronic nannies off and then we'll talk about being involved driving our car

Cheers
Robin

The most fun yet!

[Kid Eh]

It's been about 8 years since I last had a manual. I've had my manual M2 for just over 2 weeks now. I drive in Toronto traffic every day and it can get pretty bad. Never once has having a manual made it worse. I don't even think about it. It's a total breeze. So glad I chose it over the DCT. I had the DCT on my 335is. Amazing gearbox but it's no comparison to the manual. My opinion of course.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

Put all the electronic nannies off and then we'll talk about being involved driving our car

• With nannies active: they look after you and avoid naughtiness;
• With nannies off duty: you look after them for some "liaisons dangereuses", especially when caught off guard.

[backmotor]

I've always preferred MT, but I got DCT with my new M2 after a ton of hard thinking, and opinions of car guys (including Bill Auberlin), who all said go DCT.
I am happy with the DCT now and do not regret the choice - but I shift it in sequential, so I still do the shifting, just without the clutch pedal. I hate it in automatic (D), but in sequential (S), I am loving it. Have not tracked it yet (still inm break-in mode), so I don't know what I'll do when on the track, but look forward to figuring it out!

[akkando]

Originally Posted by six-n-twins53

I don't really. But this is a car forum with a poll asking a question about manual versus automatic...

And just like you gracing this forum with your opinions, so have I. Although with actual substance.

Not really you asked

"Why in the world would anyone want to be less involved driving their car?"

How can you not know the answer to this question? Even in this thread, even on this page of this thread it has been answered.

[thaalrasha]

I chose DCT because... I used to drive in France with the stick on my right. Then for work reason i moved to Ireland where the stick is on my left, an I kept banging my right hand on the door when I needed to shift. That reason and also to a lesser extent, the fuel economy, tax economy and the city traffic as this is my daily driver. Love the DCT smoothness in comfort and brutality in sport +. But I get the manual must be really fun too.

[pissclams]

Originally Posted by six-n-twins53

I don't really. But this is a car forum with a poll asking a question about manual versus automatic...

And just like you gracing this forum with your opinions, so have I. Although with actual substance.

Sick burn, bro.