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      07-23-2017, 10:00 AM   #67
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The fact that the M2 is the only car left still produced using the N55 means that there is a good chance that the B58 will be in it from next year. Surely it isn't economical for BMW to be producing this engine when it's only for the M2.
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The fact that the M2 is the only car left still produced using the N55 means that there is a good chance that the B58 will be in it from next year. Surely it isn't economical for BMW to be producing this engine when it's only for the M2.
It's also in the X4 M40i.
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They can run the N55 until Sept 2019. All cars produced after must meet Euro 6C emissions (the standard goes into effect on 9/18 but you're allowed one year to get existing models into compliance). I don't think you'll see the B58 in this generation M2 considering this gen 2 series is done in 2020.
that's a good point but there are things that can be done to an engine to make it compliant so i wouldn't rule out the N55. It's a fantastic engine and with a new Turbo and intercooler - or even switching to a charge cooler- it would be perfect. It has had all the flaws ironed out since its been around for a while, so it would make sense to keep this N55 engine in use. The B58 is relatively new, and my experience with most things new is there is always a 1-2 year settling in period. However, all that said, i do feel it will be either the B58 or the S55, if i was a betting man i would say the S55 due to it being tried and tested on road and track - and at elevated HP levels.One last thing, i personally think the S55 is as close to the N54 as you can get, this in my eyes is one of the best engines ever.
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The fact that the M2 is the only car left still produced using the N55 means that there is a good chance that the B58 will be in it from next year. Surely it isn't economical for BMW to be producing this engine when it's only for the M2.
Wait are you saying B58 in the regular M2 or the CS?

I thought it's already confirmed as N55 in the LCI as people have already taken delivery?

Or do you mean that '18 cars will get an engine swap? I'd hate to be a '17 LCI owner if that's the case.
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Wait are you saying B58 in the regular M2 or the CS?

I thought it's already confirmed as N55 in the LCI as people have already taken delivery?
I am actually quite interested in seeing what is going to happen in March when the M2 CS is released.Ynguldyn already confirmed that the M2 CS is going to get the S55 engine and be a MY19 model year car.So what happens to the regular M2?Maybe it also changes to the MY19 model year in March and gets the B58 engine.It doesn't make sense to keep making the MY18 M2 in March if the M2 CS is being released as a MY19 in March.
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Wait are you saying B58 in the regular M2 or the CS?

I thought it's already confirmed as N55 in the LCI as people have already taken delivery?

Or do you mean that '18 cars will get an engine swap? I'd hate to be a '17 LCI owner if that's the case.
2018 is still N55 - some already delivered in Europe. Some of us are guessing it may disappear next year in '19 models though.
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Wait are you saying B58 in the regular M2 or the CS?

I thought it's already confirmed as N55 in the LCI as people have already taken delivery?

Or do you mean that '18 cars will get an engine swap? I'd hate to be a '17 LCI owner if that's the case.
2018 is still N55 - some already delivered in Europe. Some of us are guessing it may disappear next year in '19 models though.
Ok so wait to order MY19 if you're in the market for a standard M2?
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Ok so wait to order MY19 if you're in the market for a standard M2?
I'm not waiting - I'd be happy with either N55 or B58 (but I'm getting another N55). We're all just speculating anyway.
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It's also in the X4 M40i.
That car is also becoming end of life soon. The new X3 M40i uses the new B58 engine.
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that's a good point but there are things that can be done to an engine to make it compliant so i wouldn't rule out the N55. It's a fantastic engine and with a new Turbo and intercooler - or even switching to a charge cooler- it would be perfect. It has had all the flaws ironed out since its been around for a while, so it would make sense to keep this N55 engine in use. The B58 is relatively new, and my experience with most things new is there is always a 1-2 year settling in period. However, all that said, i do feel it will be either the B58 or the S55, if i was a betting man i would say the S55 due to it being tried and tested on road and track - and at elevated HP levels.One last thing, i personally think the S55 is as close to the N54 as you can get, this in my eyes is one of the best engines ever.
I'm pretty sure B58 has been around for more than a year? 340i for example has been around for more than a year right? Maybe it just feels it because the 3 series is getting a bit old.
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Ok so wait to order MY19 if you're in the market for a standard M2?
LCI is still N55, but there is reason to believe that BMW could either go with the B58 per the new X3 M40i, or even just drop the regular M2 when the CS comes. But no don't wait base on rumours. I am still going ahead with the LCI myself.
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I'm pretty sure B58 has been around for more than a year? 340i for example has been around for more than a year right? Maybe it just feels it because the 3 series is getting a bit old.
How long has BMW traditionally waited before producing any M version of a motor? A few years.
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How long has BMW traditionally waited before producing any M version of a motor? A few years.
Haha I may be opening a can of worm here but the M2 engine is not a "M" engine as such. That would be the S58 which will debut in the X3M. The M2, if it gets a B58, will likely use the same B58 engine as in the X3 M40i.
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Haha I may be opening a can of worm here but the M2 engine is not a "M" engine as such. That would be the S58 which will debut in the X3M. The M2, if it gets a B58, will likely use the same B58 engine as in the X3 M40i.
Same historical precedent holds for the top-output variants.
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Same historical precedent holds for the top-output variants.
Point taken, but they are already starting production of the new X3 M40i with this engine.
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Ok so wait to order MY19 if you're in the market for a standard M2?
Wait until 2020 for the GTS. Honestly the smart thing to do is wait for when they update the 2 series platform and then release the M version of it, it's sure to be a beast!
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Ok so wait to order MY19 if you're in the market for a standard M2?
Wait until 2020 for the GTS. Honestly the smart thing to do is wait for when they update the 2 series platform and then release the M version of it, it's sure to be a beast!
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They can run the N55 until Sept 2019. All cars produced after must meet Euro 6C emissions (the standard goes into effect on 9/18 but you're allowed one year to get existing models into compliance). I don't think you'll see the B58 in this generation M2 considering this gen 2 series is done in 2020.
that's a good point but there are things that can be done to an engine to make it compliant so i wouldn't rule out the N55. It's a fantastic engine and with a new Turbo and intercooler - or even switching to a charge cooler- it would be perfect. It has had all the flaws ironed out since its been around for a while, so it would make sense to keep this N55 engine in use. The B58 is relatively new, and my experience with most things new is there is always a 1-2 year settling in period. However, all that said, i do feel it will be either the B58 or the S55, if i was a betting man i would say the S55 due to it being tried and tested on road and track - and at elevated HP levels.One last thing, i personally think the S55 is as close to the N54 as you can get, this in my eyes is one of the best engines ever.
Except no manufacturer will do that because it's not economical to tweak a 10 year old motor design to try and pass new emissions requirements for one year in one car model when you already have a replacement developed.

It would also make little sense to drop in a new motor for one model year only to have the entire platform replaced a year later. My guess is they will continue to run the cs, discontinue the standard after 2019 my (final production being early 2019), and roll out the gts limited as the going away party for this gen 2 series.
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Except no manufacturer will do that because it's not economical to tweak a 10 year old motor design to try and pass new emissions requirements for one year in one car model when you already have a replacement developed.
It would also make little sense to drop in a new motor for one model year only to have the entire platform replaced a year later. My guess is they will continue to run the cs, discontinue the standard after 2019 my (final production being early 2019), and roll out the gts limited as the going away party for this gen 2 series.
In the past BMW M already released top horses at the end of a production cycle (generation) of a BMW series. The M2 GTS (2019) will be the final curtain call for the BMW 2-series.
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That car is also becoming end of life soon. The new X3 M40i uses the new B58 engine.
I know - just pointing out that the N55 isn't 'only' in the M2.

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It would also make little sense to drop in a new motor for one model year only to have the entire platform replaced a year later. My guess is they will continue to run the cs, discontinue the standard after 2019 my (final production being early 2019), and roll out the gts limited as the going away party for this gen 2 series.
Apparently, it must not be a big deal to drop in a new lump for one model year, as BMW did exactly that when the N55 came out - it made its debut in the final year of the E90 3-series, model year 2011.

This is why my guess is that the std M2 will live on when the CS comes out, and it might just get the B58 for 2019 and 2020. It wouldn't be an unprecedented move and, at any rate, it's fun to speculate.
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It would also make little sense to drop in a new motor for one model year only to have the entire platform replaced a year later. My guess is they will continue to run the cs, discontinue the standard after 2019 my (final production being early 2019), and roll out the gts limited as the going away party for this gen 2 series.
Apparently, it must not be a big deal to drop in a new lump for one model year, as BMW did exactly that when the N55 came out - it made its debut in the final year of the E90 3-series, model year 2011.

This is why my guess is that the std M2 will live on when the CS comes out, and it might just get the B58 for 2019 and 2020. It wouldn't be an unprecedented move and, at any rate, it's fun to speculate.
True, but that was just a stock n55. Would they do the same for the b58 if it had to be modified like the current m2? Maybe it wouldn't....
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