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Only problem with that theory is they would be priced out of range for most to afford. This gives those of us without $1M to spend on a vehicle an opportunity to own an exclusive car. They sold the i8 as a non-limited car (honestly that could ALMOST have been a limited run trophy car) and it's been bought up well-enough but it isn't quite as special as it could have been if only 500 were ever made.
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M2 CS probally going to see it for $100K CDN
M2 GTS $140K+ CDN.... for a 2 series... hmm idk... sounds like a financial mistake lol
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-Get an M2 -Enjoy it for a few months -BMW spits in my face (ala m coupe/m235 to m240) I just hope the M2 CS turns out FWD... Last edited by zmo; 04-10-2017 at 10:48 PM.. |
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Or.. do you have posts in other forums like .. First computer experience .. First IPhone experience... First HDTV experience .. Or .. my favorite... "First Porsche Experience".... Seriously.. enjoy your M2. Or.. sell it asap and get in line ... |
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The bottom line is that 20 percent is NOT an accurate figure based on the end buyer ordering what they want. Even still .. let the " 20 percent" of M2 GTS or CS buyers do the same. It's not like BMW AG is going to develop a whole new gearbox for the CS or GTS. . It's going to be the same one as the lower models and the only thing that makes the difference is if you are trying to make more profit by adding in the DCT or for lap times for the press and for bench racers. However ... If BMW AG chooses to keep the M4 GTS as it's hottest car (ever ) then the M2 GTS should actually be sold in manual only ... You see how I use the Jedi mind trick... |
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04-10-2017, 11:19 PM | #78 | |
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Had to read it a few times but makes sense. I sincerely hope BMW AG does want to keep the M4 GTS as the hottest car and is looking at this post right now. They'd be nodding their heads like I am. Edit: When it comes to a car like the M2 GTS/CSL, I would like to think that a higher percentage of the buyers would want a manual than the percentage that went with the manual in the M2 because I think and hope that it'd be people who really like driving (and rowing their own gears) who'd be buying these cars. It would also be an older age group which probably learnt to drive on manual transmission and would love to have a car like that with serious performance. Last edited by Gatte; 04-10-2017 at 11:27 PM.. |
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I realize everyone is thinking about their own situation and what this news means to them but I want to take a step back and say this is a great day for enthusiasts. BMW is doubling down on the M brand and broadening the range with some potentially seriously kick ass cars. This is awesome.
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I can't believe Van Meel actually said manual transmissions are bad from an engineering perspective because of whatever reasons he gave in his interview. That's the sort of thing someone from the i-department of BMW should be saying, not the head of the M division. Just my opinion. |
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1- charge additional Markup on sale 2- not as easily damaged on test drive/loaner 3- when out of warranty - a higher failure rate than manual = more sales in service department 4- shorter lifespan than manual - see above 5- less likely for wear /tear on a lease vehicle 6- when a failure occurs - they connect a computer to it and tell you a solenoid has failed- Diagnostic time measured in minutes compared to diagnosing a failing manual transmission 7 - replacement parts are more expensive and more $$ money $$ for service departments to replace an entire transmission for $ 6-7K than to replace a clutch, a clutch master cylinder, clutch slave cylinder , or throw out bearing .. any of which could be replaced for a fraction of the price of an auto trans - let alone DCT-auto ( even MO money ... ). 8 - buyers with sticker shock from an proposed auto transmission failure tend to trade in and buy.... another auto transmission So.. in addition to being " bad " from an engineering perspective according to Van Meel... manuals are HORRIBLE from a profit perspective when it comes to new car sales, parts department sales , service department sales .. pretty much the entire dealership ! Don't believe the hype - that "customers don't want manuals " ... in sports cars. Manufacturers have been trying hard to sell sports car customers on their autoboxes with fancy names like " Tiptronic" and "DCT... and after decades they even made the autobox faster than a manual. And yet still... Spots car Customers are leading a REVOLT and manufacturers are having to give way... and continue to offer manuals. BMW has been trying to kill the 5 speed in the US M5 for decades ... they have finally done it by making it as big as a 7 series and making it AWD. |
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Either that or there will be a lot fewer sports car customers. Edit: Not too many people will even be driving in a few years I guess. |
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