[-JLT-]

Originally Posted by hoyasaxa

yeah. I've been driving it mostly in sport. In fairness, they gave me a convertible, so it'll be a little heavier and a little slower than the coupe.

No question it's faster than the 228i -- I just had unrealistic expectations, maybe? It just worried me that 15-or-so months from now, I'm going to be in Germany feeling bummed that my shiny new M2 isn't as fast as I imagined it to be. I don't know.

go test drive a M4 convertible and see how slow it is . that'll give u an idea of how M2 will be

[caman]

I own an M235i and had the pleasure of riding on a hot lap this past weekend at Road Atlanta in an M2 (loaded w/M performance parts) and the M2 definitely pulls harder and stronger esp in mid-upper rpm range compared to the M235i.

[BMW F22]

I drive an M235i and at first I was excited about the M2 before it came out. Now that it has, I have no desire in getting one. Power and all the extra bits and such don't warrant an upgrade. My car is plenty fast and plenty fun to drive. And as much as I think the M2 offers great value for the money, I don't see it being that attractive.

This is just my opinion so it will differ from others, especially those that have the M2 on order. The M2 is a nice car for sure and I bet it handles very well. But listening to how some of you talk about it like it's the end all vehicle that BMW has ever produced makes me laugh.

PS- saw an X5M in LBB today and it's definitely too green for my taste.

[swilliams]

Originally Posted by BMW F22

I drive an M235i and at first I was excited about the M2 before it came out. Now that it has, I have no desire in getting one. Power and all the extra bits and such don't warrant an upgrade. My car is plenty fast and plenty fun to drive. And as much as I think the M2 offers great value for the money, I don't see it being that attractive.

This is just my opinion so it will differ from others, especially those that have the M2 on order. The M2 is a nice car for sure and I bet it handles very well. But listening to how some of you talk about it like it's the end all vehicle that BMW has ever produced makes me laugh.

PS- saw an X5M in LBB today and it's definitely too green for my taste.

M235i plenty fast for the street? Absolutely. Worth the upgrade from an M235i? Maybe not. But is it a fantastic value considering the price you paid for your M235i? Yes. I don't think that can be argued.

Side by side in pictures, the M2 has enormous presence over the M235i (aesthetics and exhaust note), and I thought the M235i looked great in person. Keep in mind a lot of us don't own a 2 series already so, yes, it's very exciting. It's a small coupe that performs very close to the M3. That's something to get riled up about.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by BMW F22

I drive an M235i and at first I was excited about the M2 before it came out. Now that it has, I have no desire in getting one. Power and all the extra bits and such don't warrant an upgrade. My car is plenty fast and plenty fun to drive. And as much as I think the M2 offers great value for the money, I don't see it being that attractive.

This is just my opinion so it will differ from others, especially those that have the M2 on order. The M2 is a nice car for sure and I bet it handles very well. But listening to how some of you talk about it like it's the end all vehicle that BMW has ever produced makes me laugh.

PS- saw an X5M in LBB today and it's definitely too green for my taste.

I'd guess that once you drive one you'll want it

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by BMW F22

I drive an M235i and at first I was excited about the M2 before it came out. Now that it has, I have no desire in getting one. Power and all the extra bits and such don't warrant an upgrade. My car is plenty fast and plenty fun to drive. And as much as I think the M2 offers great value for the money, I don't see it being that attractive.

This is just my opinion so it will differ from others, especially those that have the M2 on order. The M2 is a nice car for sure and I bet it handles very well. But listening to how some of you talk about it like it's the end all vehicle that BMW has ever produced makes me laugh.

PS- saw an X5M in LBB today and it's definitely too green for my taste.

I agree with you. If I had an M235i, I wouldn't order an M2. At least not until 2018... And regarding the comments on how great M2 is, these are coming from not only couple of random guys who test drove the car but also from several professional drivers and reviewers. You might not agree but most of them think that M2 is the most fun BMW on the market today.

[M2BMW]

Originally Posted by hoyasaxa

What is this? Faux CF? Maybe I assumed because it looks like it has a weave in it.

lol

[Corinne]

Originally Posted by hans007

thats called hexagon aluminum and is available on M sport or M235 cars in the bmw lineup.

i have it on my 328 and well, honestly i'm tired of it, it isnt that interesting woudl have preferred normal brushed aluminum

I totally agree. I HATE aluminium. I much prefer wood finish but best of all is carbon fibre. I sat in an M2 and an M4 yesterday at the Geneva Motor Show. The M2 had a sort of matt carbon fibre while the M4 had a glossy one. I must admit the glossy one looked a lot better though.

[swagon]

1. It's a vert.
2. It takes several thousand miles for the engine to break-in.

[W///]

Originally Posted by hoyasaxa

yeah. I've been driving it mostly in sport. In fairness, they gave me a convertible, so it'll be a little heavier and a little slower than the coupe.

No question it's faster than the 228i -- I just had unrealistic expectations, maybe? It just worried me that 15-or-so months from now, I'm going to be in Germany feeling bummed that my shiny new M2 isn't as fast as I imagined it to be. I don't know.

Well there you go. That's the equivalent of adding at least 2 bigger chicks in the rear seats. You should experiment with that on your 228i and tell us how much slower it'll feel

[W///]

Originally Posted by BMW F22

I drive an M235i and at first I was excited about the M2 before it came out. Now that it has, I have no desire in getting one. Power and all the extra bits and such don't warrant an upgrade. My car is plenty fast and plenty fun to drive. And as much as I think the M2 offers great value for the money, I don't see it being that attractive.

This is just my opinion so it will differ from others, especially those that have the M2 on order. The M2 is a nice car for sure and I bet it handles very well. But listening to how some of you talk about it like it's the end all vehicle that BMW has ever produced makes me laugh.

PS- saw an X5M in LBB today and it's definitely too green for my taste.

Considering Motortrend said towards the end of their video that the they didn't think BMW were capable of making a car like an M2 anymore, I believe them. It's the bloody second coming of the E46 M3, so yes, there's a good reason why everyone is acting like it's the Holy Grail.... that is of course until the M2 CS comes out

The M235i and M2 are not on the same planet, sorry. And I've been a huge huge fan of the MPA.

[jtodd_fl]

Also has weave in it... carry on. (M2 coupe will feel NOTHING like M235i convertible. Plus, the gear selector alone is worth the extra money.)

[AlpsRider]

Well, the M235 develops power and torque all over the RPM range compared to a 228. It is a completely different driving experience overall. M235 suspension in sport mode is way more sporty feeling than an msport, trust me.
While the M2 is faster than the M235 for sure, the weight difference is not that great and the bigger wheels and tires on the M2 will drag it down a bit. Overall, I expect the obvious improvement is going to be in grip and handling.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

Well, the M235 develops power and torque all over the RPM range compared to a 228. It is a completely different driving experience overall. M235 suspension in sport mode is way more sporty feeling than an msport, trust me.
While the M2 is faster than the M235 for sure, the weight difference is not that great and the bigger wheels and tires on the M2 will drag it down a bit. Overall, I expect the obvious improvement is going to be in grip and handling.

M2 doing 1:22.73 on that Willow track vs M235i(1:26.37) both driven by mr Pobst , that's a >3s difference....

Cheers
Robin

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by hoyasaxa

yeah. I've been driving it mostly in sport. In fairness, they gave me a convertible, so it'll be a little heavier and a little slower than the coupe.

No question it's faster than the 228i -- I just had unrealistic expectations, maybe? It just worried me that 15-or-so months from now, I'm going to be in Germany feeling bummed that my shiny new M2 isn't as fast as I imagined it to be. I don't know.

Ford has a mustang ready for your stoplight Grand Prix.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by W///

Considering Motortrend said towards the end of their video that the they didn't think BMW were capable of making a car like an M2 anymore, I believe them. It's the bloody second coming of the E46 M3, so yes, there's a good reason why everyone is acting like it's the Holy Grail.... that is of course until the M2 CS comes out

The M235i and M2 are not on the same planet, sorry. And I've been a huge huge fan of the MPA.

Bloody second coming of the 1M actually.
..... And It was just 5 years ago ..

you can't really say " I never thought BMW would make a cool car again " and then in that same review refer to the 1M as being its predecessor that knocked your socks off. :

[W///]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Bloody second coming of the 1M actually.
..... And It was just 5 years ago ..

you can't really say " I never thought BMW would make a cool car again " and then in that same review refer to the 1M as being its predecessor that knocked your socks off. :

A lot has happened since the 1M though. I still consider that from another era almost (before NA engines went extinct and every car has EPS).

Lately, the only BMW's I'm interested are the M2 (CS cough cough), M3, and a diesel X5. I really have no desire to own anything else, which was not the case in the early 2000s.

So BMW still has some secret sauce left, but only a couple of cases left

[BMW F22]

I think for the money the M2 represents great value. Considering my M235i was something like $48-49k MSRP, the M2 is really cheap. I am sure it is a blast to drive. It should be since I already think the M235i is really fun. After all, it's a proper M car.

I think that for those that don't already have an M235i, they should get the M2 over the 235i, hands down. For me though, it's not as exciting as it should be. Maybe a test drive will change that.

[W///]

Originally Posted by BMW F22

I think for the money the M2 represents great value. Considering my M235i was something like $48-49k MSRP, the M2 is really cheap. I am sure it is a blast to drive. It should be since I already think the M235i is really fun. After all, it's a proper M car.

I think that for those that don't already have an M235i, they should get the M2 over the 235i, hands down. For me though, it's not as exciting as it should be. Maybe a test drive will change that.

I think you should definitely test drive it. I have a feeling you might change your mind.

Because that would be like saying an E46 330i ZHP is fun (which it is), but the E46 M3 won't be that much different (which it is).

As someone else said in this thread, I'd wait a couple of years though if I already had an M235i.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by BMW F22

I think for the money the M2 represents great value. Considering my M235i was something like $48-49k MSRP, the M2 is really cheap. I am sure it is a blast to drive. It should be since I already think the M235i is really fun. After all, it's a proper M car.

I think that for those that don't already have an M235i, they should get the M2 over the 235i, hands down. For me though, it's not as exciting as it should be. Maybe a test drive will change that.

Person with "X"35i model doesn't feel that M model is worth it for themselves to take a loss on trading in their own vehicle.

No surprise here. And yes the M2 is a helluva value for someone that's actually looking for a car.

[BruceM]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Person with "X"35i model doesn't feel that M model is worth it for themselves to take a loss on trading in their own vehicle.

No surprise here. And yes the M2 is a helluva value for someone that's actually looking for a car.

Yup. The instinct for making the best of our situations is strong in all of us. Personally, seems to me one would have to try pretty hard not to be "excited" in the abstract by the reviews the M2 is getting. It also seems that a test drive would not just be nice, but in fact essential, to determine whether that excitement was appropriate in each individual driver's case.

I have a friend who just bought a M235i (for 51 grand!!), and who didn't want to wait for an M2 because he wanted xDrive. Although there may be a few people out there like him, assuming the M2 in fact will be produced in significant quantities as several signs indicate, it is hard to see the M235i maintaining any kind of market share in the next couple of years. Not enough M in it, and too much money compared to the M2. If the delta were 10 grand, then maybe...

[W///]

Originally Posted by BruceM

Yup. The instinct for making the best of our situations is strong in all of us. Personally, seems to me one would have to try pretty hard not to be "excited" in the abstract by the reviews the M2 is getting. It also seems that a test drive would not just be nice, but in fact essential, to determine whether that excitement was appropriate in each individual driver's case.

I have a friend who just bought a M235i (for 51 grand!!), and who didn't want to wait for an M2 because he wanted xDrive. Although there may be a few people out there like him, assuming the M2 in fact will be produced in significant quantities as several signs indicate, it is hard to see the M235i maintaining any kind of market share in the next couple of years. Not enough M in it, and too much money compared to the M2. If the delta were 10 grand, then maybe...

Or the lease numbers could stay as horrid as they are now. I doubt it, but that could be a deterrent for a lot of people as well.