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I did go to Cars & Coffee right after I got my LBB M2 last October, but I got there too late and couldn't find a spot to park. So I ended up just doing a drive through and leaving. Other than the show room M2, the only other M2's I have seen were at the CCA event I went to the weekend before last.
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BMW history does not agree with you - E30 M3 - went from 2.3L to the 2.5L sport EVO of which there were 600 sold. The Sport EVO didn't cause stock M3 values to tank. E36 M3 had an "upgrade " in motor from S50 to S52 and there is very little difference in the used market today and the 1995 never lost value. Mz3 also went from S50 to S52 - while the S52 models do have a better value - the S50 models never " plummeted " in the used market. Non M models E46 330 ZHP does command higher values than other E46 330 models but Not because of the 10 hp E9x 2006 model year 330 values aren't significantly different than E9x 335 which went to a new twin turbo motor BMW M235 values aren't plummeting because of the M240 B58 motor are they ? Even if the M2 CS has an S55, it will be so hard to get there is little chance it will affect the stock M2. M2 production is artificially limited. - just as the M2 ZL5 edition of the M2 for US was limited to 150 models, I would expect M2 CS to production to be limited to a particular Number. As seen by the models above .. even if ALL M2 produced in 2019 and after come with a new S motor .. the value of the standard M2 models made from 2016 thru 2018 model years likely will remain largely unaffected. Don't forget that the M2 production for the first few years will be something like .. 2016 - just below 750 made 2017 - ?? Including 150 ZL 5 2018 - ?? My guess for 2017-18 is that production for the US is well under 1500 per year. That means a total of around 4000 made by the time we get to 2019 models .. Compare M2 production to the E9x M3 which which had 40,000 coupes made, 10,000 sedans and 16,000 convertibles - a total of 66,000 pushed out the door. BMW made the 1m alongside it and made 740 for the US and around 6300 worldwide.. Is there ANY DOUBT that F8x M3/M4 production will be similar or greater than E9x production ? And yet look at the number of M2 produced ... it likely will be around 1/10 the volume of its bigger siblings |
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M2 lci $72,000 ( same price as current 2017 ) M2 CS $85,000 ^^ middle East GCC price |
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I was all over agreeing with your previous post. The M240i and M2 are somewhat close in power, so that they can sell the M240i to whomever can't tell the difference. More comfort and colour options, less waiting... why not? Plus, more profit margin for BMW! Go for it! |
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tbh i'm chuffed to bits i didn't wait, i love my car and i can say i had the 1st generation of the first ever M2, even if that means nothing to others, its a nice piece of car history to be able to look back on.
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I'm just saying that I don't think that BMW had a figure in mind when developing the M240 motor. Or at least by that I mean that they weren't dead focused on the Power differential between the M2 and M240. The b58 will end up in a few thousand 2 series and will be in about 200,000 other BMWs so I think it's way too narrow a focus to try and say that BMW was trying to get close to M2 power figure in order to make the m240 attractive. |
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a stock M2 is simply a HELLUVA deal in the market place. There is no other vehicle that gives the same combination of (modest) luxury, RWD handling with good overall performance figures, and daily driving usability in all sorts of weather. ! nice score !
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It is the people who don't understand this who make silly comments about how a new engine will immediately render older M2s worthless. -scr |
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And don't forget the M2 is built based on its predecessor. |
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03-15-2017, 07:12 AM | #258 | |
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The M240i is considered a great deal by many reviewers, and is 75% of the car the M2 is for 90% of the price. As it started out as such a good deal, price creep should be expected (more than most models) and has been seen, with that trend likely to continue for the LCI. So those who are waiting may pay a high price for those cosmetic changes. But it will still likely be a good deal for what you get. |
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I quoted your comment in one of the M2 CS threads: http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...4#post21439884.
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