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      01-31-2018, 09:02 PM   #1
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I had the opportunity to pick up the first publicly released production FMIC unit from CSF from their warehouse. The CSF has a core density greater than the AA FMIC i used to run. Build and quality look excellent and fit and finish is on-point. Originally the unit did not come w/ a way to mount it to the car, but CSF was kind enough to supply washers to all the first-run buyers. I originally put a few washers together just to get it to mount, but ended up going w/ the CSF-supplied solution. I'm really impressed w/ Ravi and the CSF guys' customer service by communicating w/ us here and offering the washers to those who got the first-run of production units. Future orders will have the washers supplied.

here is a datalog of a 3rd gear run showing the IAT dropping at speed.
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You lucky punk! How did you get it so quick?
i live really close to csf so i just picked it up from their will call on the way home from work
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I thought it was advertised as 100% plug and play?

It came missing installation hardware?

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I thought it was advertised as 100% plug and play?

It came missing installation hardware?
you could probably hang it directly off the charge pipes, but I'd rather also have it secured to the body
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so to mount the csf intercooler, i had to get a 1/4 flat washer and a 5/16 flat washer. i would probably go 3/8 instead of 5/16 though because 5/16 is just barely big enough to hold it. 3/8 seems it would have more surface area touching the fmic bracket. the stock screw doesn't have a very large head, hence the two washers.

also, i have an ER charge pipe and i had to adjust the center clamps in order to screw in the mounting screws.
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To hang it off charge pipe is absolutely not the way to go.

As light as stock IC is, factory use bolts underneath to support and secure it for good reasons, let alone much much heavier aftermarket piece.

You even have to use big and strong enough bolt to do the job in my opinion.

BTW, never underestimate the negative impact the additional pure front axle weight can have on car's dynamic. Manufacture always tout about how new engine saves 10~20kg, but aftermarket IC (bar plate ones) just adds 15kg onto the very front, the worst place of car.
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To hang it off charge pipe is absolutely not the way to go.

As light as stock IC is, factory use bolts underneath to support and secure it for good reasons, let alone much much heavier aftermarket piece.

You even have to use big and strong enough bolt to do the job in my opinion.

BTW, never underestimate the negative impact the additional weight purely on axle weight can have on car's dynamic. Manufacture always tout about how new engine saves 10~20kg on front axle, but aftermarket IC (bar plate ones) just adds 15kg onto the very front, the worst place of car.
agreed. hanging the fmic off the cp is a bad idea. it will bounce off the oil line under load.

i ended up using a 1/4 and 5/8 flat washers. the head on the bolt is too small to hold on to just the 5/8 washer. however, 5/8 is also a little bit too small for the csf bracket and barely holds on. so maybe a 3/4 washer could be better?
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Quite odd the mounting bracket was incomplete. Regardless, glad you got it to mount without too much hassle.

Hopefully CSF can get the rest shipped out this week - I look forward to receiving mine!
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I was part of a group buy for the CSF, but seeing how you had to stack up washers to mount it is poor design imo. Makes me want to return everything and just go with Wagner or ER.

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if anyone else part of the group buy, please let me know if my package was incomplete or if you have the same issue
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if anyone else part of the group buy, please let me know if my package was incomplete or if you have the same issue
I'm receiving mine today, I'll let you know.
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Damn, looks like Ontrac either lost or delivered mine to the wrong address... Was supposed to be delivered yesterday, required a signature (nobody was home), and now the tracking number shows it as "delivered" with "signature on file." No, my signature isn't on file with them, and no it wasn't at my house.
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BTW, never underestimate the negative impact the additional weight purely on axle weight can have on car's dynamic. Manufacture always tout about how new engine saves 10~20kg on front axle, but aftermarket IC (bar plate ones) just adds 15kg onto the very front, the worst place of car.
Agreed. This is the precise reason I have been hesitant on getting an aftermarket FMIC, though I will most likely get one eventually when tuned.

The CSF IC is 28 lbs - the price to pay for bar plate and high density - so it’s not as bad as 15 kgs but not light either.

Wagner Competition Evo I and II (fin and tube) are considerably lighter at 6.6 and 8.8 kgs respectively. Different cooling characteristics and more $$...
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Disappointing...I also liked the appeal of plug-n-play...

Have zero desire to go back and forth figuring out what washers and bolt sizes work...
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Disappointing...I also liked the appeal of plug-n-play...

Have zero desire to go back and forth figuring out what washers and bolt sizes work...
lol that's what I'm doing for everyone. I'll have an answer tonight for sure what works
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@CSF Cooling can you give some insight as to what's going on with the mounting? the bracket is too wide for the stock bolt
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Sorry about the issues you are having OP

Fin density on the CSF intercooler is impressive
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lol that's what I'm doing for everyone. I'll have an answer tonight for sure what works
Now i'm happy you received it first haha

Thanks for taking the time to let us know
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Thanks for doing this lol. I'm sure you will end up saving a lot of people some time and effort trying to figure this out for themselves!
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