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I have an m2 6mt on order but since i have an m4 dct for a few days and tried almost everyting i m going to change that to dct. M4 : Dr Jekyll & mr Hyde Dct: great!! So fast and still connected Cheers Robin( from good old Europe where manual cars are coffee makers lol) And yes I want that m4 also what a car! |
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This kind of question makes it sound like the 235i is the equivalent of an old late 80's Lincoln Grand Marquis couch on wheels land cruiser while the M2 is a Radical. Seriously. |
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03-16-2016, 05:19 PM | #48 |
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There are quite a few reviews where the car has been driven on the street. I have seen only one review that suggested that the ride was a bit firm.
My short drive of the MT M2 on city roads of varying quality raised no issues for me. There were a few things I could not assess on this short drive (like whether there is any drone at highway speeds). I thought the car was very comfortable (but of course until recently I was driving a Lotus Exige) Seems like everyone is going crazy waiting for this car to come out including me. So many threads descending into "does it sound/go better than an M4?", "is the carbon weave OK?", "which colour?". If you want a reasonably priced M car, the M2 is f*&^ing brilliant!!! Can't wait until deliveries start and we get some more reviews and videos from owners. |
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Not that a Lotus is a viable alternative as a DD, more to do with things like luggage space. Where in comparison a Porsche Cayman hauls cargo like a truck in a relative sense, LOL
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03-19-2016, 12:07 AM | #51 |
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Haven't seen too many posts being concerned that the suspension would be too uncomfortable for a DD. Many of us have had past experience in non-adjustable M cars and the suspension compromises on those has always been pretty good. Really the only thing I'm concerned about is the noise level. Seems if I'm going to put up with that I might as well get a true sports car like a Porsche Cayman with the engine right next to me.
All to save a lousy 25 pounds and to market to those wanting 'sound excitement'. And then they didn't even turn the fake sound off. Sigh. Of course, if you want louder, good for you. You're getting what you want. Last edited by Spook410; 03-19-2016 at 03:03 AM.. |
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"On the road, perhaps not as charming As charming as the M2 is out on the track, this is not a car that tries to charm everyone. Its ride can feel jittery on mottled surfaces—even though it seems to take some of the hardest impacts from the pavement in stride. And road noise is an everpresent whoosh on smooth highways, more of a boom as the surfaces are coarser. Out on some surrounding two-laners, we put another 50 or so miles on a manual-gearbox M2. It has great clutch coordination and a linkage that reminds us of past M3 models, yet it’s a bit bittersweet, as it’s not entirely the right pick for control freaks. You can’t turn off the rev-matching feature if you don’t want to turn off stability control as well; and while it would get the revs right the majority of the time, we encountered some clumsy shifts on the road when both pointing sharply uphill and downhill. We’re not by any means going to call the M2 luxurious. You do get a great set of standard features—with handy daily driver items like heated seats, navigation, and adaptive cruise control, and even including collision warning, pedestrian warning with city braking, and lane departure warning. Inside, you’ll find special M surfaces, and M logos for the gauge cluster, shift lever, door sills, and steering wheel. And the seats, of course, are great—not just strong in side support for the track, but pleasant on the back over those pockmarked two-lane highways." http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...t-drive/page-2 |
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As a matter of fact , my X1 M sport with 19" run flats is the same. @G8rGrl Direct translation: This ain't no Lexus or Mercedes. It's a sports car. If you want a ride that soaks up every bump and covers every sound then that's where you should look. The 1M and M2 provide a luxury ride on properly paved roads. If you live in Washington, D.C. Or drive on bad roads in Michigan , or your commute is on cobblerstone roads , then perhaps an M235 or the GT LIKE ride of an M3/ M4 is what you want. |
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This tells you how I can't decide: E46 M3, for me, is fine. I like everything about it, no problem with the suspension. But I want a new car. I drove the M4 on the road AND on the track and I don't like the M4. At all. I drove the Camaro 2SS and I like it. Suspension was fine to me, other people think it's too rough. I drove the M235i and I liked it better than the M4. That might make some people's head explode. The sticker on the M4 was $84K. Seeing as I didn't like the M4 at all, it makes sense that I prefer the M235i since I actually liked it. |
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The E46 M3, 1M and M2 have a relatively compact chassis and direct steering of a short wheelbase car and while the suspension is stiff over broken pavement, it's perfect on smooth roads and over large bumps. For some of us , this translates to a more playful daily driving car than the M3/M4. If you preferred the M235 over the M4 then the M2 is what you want for sure. I would bet The spring rates are probably about 20-30 percent stiffer than an M235 and the differences are more likely balanced toward performance at higher speeds 70 mph and above while compromising dailying driving comfort as little as possible. |
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Here's to hoping that the rev-match feature is no nuisance during 6MT mountain driving with stability control active. Actually, what prompted BMW to decide not to allow owners to simply toggle between rev-match on/off in the iDrive settings (hard preset) ? Pampering ? Fear of gear box damage ? 'Limited settings' as a concept/philosophy ? We don't mind nosy mothers-in-law, but sometimes we should be able to simply send them home and do our stuff the way we like to do it. |
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Like you, I can't understand why manufacturers don't just let you turn these things on and off in the settings. For example, BMW should also let you turn the exhaust valves on the M4 on or off in the iDrive settings but doesn't. To me, the more flexibility and customization the better. Having said that, I don't mind the rev match and I also don't mind turning off DSC to disable it at the track. I'd likely do that in any event.
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Could save wear-and-tear on the clutch mechanism.
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I find it hilarious that some of you are insinuating that people who heel and toe around town do it for ego related reasons. Well, I do it pretty much everywhere! It keeps me sharp and I find it fun. I got a manual transmission for a reason! It makes sense that you don't understand daily heel and toeing then justify switching to an automatic transmission. If you do it correctly, and you absolutely can at "normal" speeds, it definitely smooths out the ride and makes for a more enjoyable drive.
To each their own I guess.
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I had one for 3 years and wore ear plugs on long drives. That raspy 4 behind my head got on my nerves. I don't like loud noises though and often I'm the only one wearing ear plugs on motorcycle rides. I took a 1M for a quick spin and it felt very soft compared to the Elise. The 1M felt smooth and refined with a little muted noise coming through. Where the Elise just feels totally raw and everything comes though. Tires make a huge difference on the Elise. I had a couple sets and the difference was amazing. I had both Elise and Exige (track pack) suspension systems on mine and the ride comfort didn't really change. Tires made a big difference though. That little engine is loud. |
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I shoved a very noisy exhaust system on it and that drowns out all other noises. Trouble is I can't hear the radio or CD player but it doesn't matter coz the exhaust sounds so good.
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