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So just to be on the same page with everyone regarding nomenclature that Bmw may decide to change at randomly given time.
M2 current vehicle (2017) will be scrapped for a new model. M2 Competition (M2C) will be the new standard model for 2018. M2 Competition Sport (M2 CS) may or may not happen as a 2019 model. M2 Competition Sport Lightweight (M2 CSL) supposedly scrapped 1) I know the trim lines CSL and CS have been used on a few different models in the past. Has BMW every used the name "competition" as its own model before other than the ZCP packages of the past? 2) What are the chances BMW just decided to change the name from CS to C and were all assuming there will be a 2019 M2 CS, but that car is essentially just a the 2018 M2C. Where are we with lifespan of the current 2 series? Is this chassis going to stay into production even going to stay in production until 2019? I don't know if they keep changing names to keep us guessing or because they themselves are confused lol Regardless awesome info, keep it up!
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Van Meel said that the CSL designation will replace GTS on the four-rung hierarchy of M cars, which starts with the base model then progresses to Competition Pack, CS, then CSL. Like the GTS, CSLs will be BMW M's most hardcore offerings.But that was still before the rumor surfaced last December that plans for a hardcore F87 M2 have been shelved (or at least put on hold) for the moment: see here. So it remains to be seen whether there will ever be any hardcore F87 M2 before first-generation M2 end of production (October 2020), and what badge it will get.
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Great stuff and lots of info, thanks Artemis!
So, with the new higher price tag; assuming close to that of 718 GTS, M2 Competition would still be people's choice? I love my M2, done tons of mods to it, track it a lot too, but I don't find the M2 Competition attractive enough to make the switch. Sure it's got the S55 engine now and power is up to 405/410 hp, but a tuned N55 would get there too. So unless there's some other special features about the new M2, I'd get a 718 GTS if I had to get a new car... |
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^ Last posts from Garage5 and Artemis, great summary of what's up, thanks!
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I believe me and my group of friends saw this at buttonwillow (along with M5 obviously before it came out) on a Friday. It was cool because we rented the track and we were almost all bmw's so they came over to the hot pits and we were able to talk/laugh with them. BMW engineers / test drivers took pictures of our cars but I'm still looking for them on the web
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But it's a certainty that the car is coming: the VINs indicate several PR campaign cars (codes 901, 903, 904 and 906: photo, video and trade fair vehicles). Quote:
However "Competition Package" (internal designation: "ZCP") ain't new. I believe that BMW first used it with the E46 M3. In December 2004 the ZCP was launched as an option in the US (2410 were made [BL93]). That ZCP option was also offered outside the US from September 2005 onwards (326 LHD [BL91] + 275 RHD [BL92] were made). It was an option, not a different model. In the past also an E92 "M3 Competition Edition" (KA381) has existed (385 cars), known in the UK as "M3 Frozen Silver Edition", and an E92 "M3 Coupe Competition" (ZCP) for the Japanese market (27 cars). A possible explanation for the "M2 Competition" and "M2 CS" mashup: the RHD version of the E46 M3 with the Competition Package was offered in the UK as "M3 CS" (though without "M3 CS" badge) (275 were made [BL92]). So the E46 M3 CS was in fact the E46 M3 Competition Package. But then again, the forthcoming M2 model is called "M2 Competition" instead of "M2 Competition Package". It's a new M2 model, not an M2 with a ZCP option. And what about the name "Club Sport" or "Clubsport" instead of "Competition" or "Competition Sport" (CS) ? I guess Porsche wouldn't allow BMW to use that name. Personally I think that - as a wink to the E30 M3 Evolution II and E30 M3 Sport Evolution - "M2 Evolution" would have been a better choice than "M2 Competition". It would avoid confusion with "Competition Package" and the engine move from N55 to S55 is indisputably an evolution. Then BMW could also have reserved "M2 Sport Evolution" for the eventual M2 hardcore version. Quote:
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Not sure if my dealer is spinning me a yarn but they advised that some of the parts couldn't be removed once on which sounds bogus to me. |
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- Black front grille? Can be removed - Black side gills? Can be removed - Carbon mirror caps? Can be removed, but placing the old ones back is hard - Carbon rear spoiler? Can be removed, but it is definitely not easy. Good luck with that one.... MR |
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And then the CS got replaced with Competition. So at this point, the only ? I thought is whether the version after Competition will be a true CSL, with 2 seats, or a true CS, with 4 seats – and if the M3 CS is anything to go by, it won't have a manual. Right? |
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Later, after the release, enthusiasts could ask BMW M about some development backstories. "It Came From Garching" instead of "It Came From The Desert" (Amiga - 1989):
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The black side gills will not be needed. The carbon mirror caps will not fit. It's not worth the pain removing the rear spoiler. If I was you, I would just leave it as is. |
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My new M2 will come with these, and I was thinking about what happens when I sell too. |
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But for those of you who like silly little wing things hanging off the top of your mirror, I'm guessing you'll want the 2019 car.
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I guess there wouldn't be much point selling the car with front and side carbon but no diffusor. Thanks for that info. |
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