[IND-Distribution]

As always, thank you Artemis for the great info!

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by RPM33

Artemis: Are you going for the M2 Competition or are you waiting for the M2 CS in 2019?

First I want to know what the M2 variants are all about (rumors keep flying in all directions):

• only the M2 Competition (2018) ?
• or is BMW M also gonna release a top dog M2 (2019) ?

I also want to see how the M2 is wearing Hockenheim Silver Metallic in real life (likely 'cool' in every sense of the word). Furthermore I'd like to hear how the detuned S55 engine and exhaust sound compared to the N55 howl and M2 M Performance Exhaust (g)rumble.

You know, I'm pleased with my M2 (I like it more than my M3 cars and like it as much as my 1M). Already clocked over 30K kms with my M2 (mostly Autobahn and mountain driving). And it's also no secret that I like Mineral Grey, a metallic color that - if we look at the test mule VINs - won't be available for the M2 Competition, unfortunately.

So, yes, I might wait awhile before ordering my fifth BMW M car. In the meantime I keep enjoying my M2 in the mountains.

The 1M is the 'favorite BMW M car of the past' of BMW M CEO Frank Van Meel (that's what he said in a CAR interview of December 2015: see here), so I trust that he's taking very good care of the BMW M heritage and bloodline. If he ever would read this post: build that hardcore M2. There's definitely a market for top shelf pocket rockets, a niche of powerful compact halo cars that also Porsche, Audi and Mercedes are actively venturing and tapping in to, with success. You can clearly feel that pulse when you read petrol head forums.

[dmboone25]

But there's not going to be an MG option anymore, correct?

So which direction would you end up going?

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by tifosielia

Seat stitching is polar blue.

Gotcha.

I would think they would use one of the blues from the ///M striping sequence for these sorts of things (like the interior seat stitching or brake calipers).

Porsche, for example, uses Guards Red in the same way. So all the reds "match", which is a nice touch.

But if the orange is a nice orange @m3 adjuster then I would try and make the brake calipers match too. On BSM.

[waterboy1]

Is the M2 competition a 2018 model? or a 2019 model?

[Benef1cient]

I'm a bit torn here. I need some advice from you guys what would you do.
I can take current M2 LCI at a great deal (-20% off MSRP) and get it in March/April or wait and get a HEA/HEPA? (my SA used some kind of acronym for first wave of cars that dealers get) M2 Competition as nobody else is in line right now for one. He confirmed I would get one in July and soon he will share with me a list of options that are available that he can decode from that car they're getting in the first wave (probably what Artemis already shared). Of course M2 Competition with 0% discount then.

My first world problem is that on my local track there are 3 categories <200HP, 201-400HP and 400+ HP groups. If I take M2 LCI, with DP and IC I can easily get 400 and then it's to my driving skills vs the rest to be the best.
But when I go the M2 Competition route I'm in 400+ group but way down the pecking order (with 410HP) against 911 Turbo S, GT3s, M3s etc. Then I know I can probably tune that S55 to 500 HP if they didn't nerf it too much but might be hard to put all that power down with 265 tyres.

M2 Competition has that "novelty" factor, HS colour which I think is going to rock, sport brakes which will help on track and M sport seats that should also keep me in place better. The S55 in ZCP M4 wasn't that bad sounding - but we'll see.

M2 LCI has great sound that can be enhanced with DP + catback, I'd put KW CS or JRZs with camber plates, IC, track pads and ready to go. It doesn't have many issues as seen on this forum. Probably would be much cheaper still with those mods and as much fun to DD too.

I know I probably shouldn't base this choice on these kind of things but just take what I want and enjoy.
Maybe wait till the reveal in April? But then I might not be able to order M2 LCI as it's too late.

[filet.M2c]

Originally Posted by Benef1cient

I'm a bit torn here. I need some advice from you guys what would you do.
I can take current M2 LCI at a great deal (-20% off MSRP) and get it in March/April or wait and get a HEA/HEPA? (my SA used some kind of acronym for first wave of cars that dealers get) M2 Competition as nobody else is in line right now for one. He confirmed I would get one in July and soon he will share with me a list of options that are available that he can decode from that car they're getting in the first wave (probably what Artemis already shared). Of course M2 Competition with 0% discount then.

My first world problem is that on my local track there are 3 categories <200HP, 201-400HP and 400+ HP groups. If I take M2 LCI, with DP and IC I can easily get 400 and then it's to my driving skills vs the rest to be the best.
But when I go the M2 Competition route I'm in 400+ group but way down the pecking order (with 410HP) against 911 Turbo S, GT3s, M3s etc. Then I know I can probably tune that S55 to 500 HP if they didn't nerf it too much but might be hard to put all that power down with 265 tyres.

M2 Competition has that "novelty" factor, HS colour which I think is going to rock, sport brakes which will help on track and M sport seats that should also keep me in place better. The S55 in ZCP M4 wasn't that bad sounding - but we'll see.

M2 LCI has great sound that can be enhanced with DP + catback, I'd put KW CS or JRZs with camber plates, IC, track pads and ready to go. It doesn't have many issues as seen on this forum. Probably would be much cheaper still with those mods and as much fun to DD too.

I know I probably shouldn't base this choice on these kind of things but just take what I want and enjoy.
Maybe wait till the reveal in April? But then I might not be able to order M2 LCI as it's too late.

Guess it depends if you wanna go up against the 400+hp big boys and be competitive, considering you'll be going up against exotics, though that could be a fun challenge. 20% off MSRP is quite substantial though. Not sure how it is in Poland but that would be mid $40s in the US, which would be a steal for a brand new LCI. I am personally holding out for news on the competiton, and go that direction if the pricing/options speculation across this forum are correct. If BMW pulls a wild card and price it ridiculously high or irrationally remove the manual I will look to buy a low mileage N55 on the used market.

[RedCarrot]

544 - cruise control with braking function. That sounds like adaptive cruise control, ya?

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by RedCarrot

544 - cruise control with braking function. That sounds like adaptive cruise control, ya?

No, same as before: 'Dynamic Cruise Control' (to be distinguished from 'Active Cruise Control'):


(source: here)

[RedCarrot]

Originally Posted by Artemis

No, same as before: 'Dynamic Cruise Control' (to be distinguished from 'Active Cruise Control'):

(source: here)

Ahh... thanks for the correction.

[champignon]

Originally Posted by Artemis

No, same as before: 'Dynamic Cruise Control' (to be distinguished from 'Active Cruise Control'):
Attachment 1760477
(source: here)

Honestly, what is the point? Let's just do away with the driver entirely, and let the car drive itself!

[Benef1cient]

Originally Posted by synergist

Guess it depends if you wanna go up against the 400+hp big boys and be competitive, considering you'll be going up against exotics, though that could be a fun challenge. 20% off MSRP is quite substantial though. Not sure how it is in Poland but that would be mid $40s in the US, which would be a steal for a brand new LCI. I am personally holding out for news on the competiton, and go that direction if the pricing/options speculation across this forum are correct. If BMW pulls a wild card and price it ridiculously high or irrationally remove the manual I will look to buy a low mileage N55 on the used market.

Yeah I'd do the same but the problem in Poland is, there are no manual M2s on the second hand market. None of the dealers order them and just a few were sold to customers from the data I got (since the launch). If I want a manual I need to buy it myself
There is also one more thing to consider that if I get the LCI I can enjoy it from March onwards through the season.
Thanks for your input. Let's hope more info emerge until April

[MdMcoupe]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

I understand for sure. Tag is in the same boat.

Personally it's an odd switch. BMW just seems to have little imagination with their colors. Black and MG are close and they remove MG to add a " silver " that looks closer to white that they already have. *shrug*.

To be honest though BMW has a history of this going back to the E30 M3. Over a five year run of the E30 M3

Alpine Weiss changed from I to II ?
Henna red (orange ) became cinnabar and then hellRot
Lachsilber ( salmon silver) became sterling silver.
Diamantschwartz did not change.

For a car with only four colors they had variations which you could discern what year in the model run. For the M2 one will know and MG car is the 2016-2018 early run and HS cars in the later years.

EDIT: it also occurred to me that the 95-99 E36 M3 also had a lot of colors with multiple names. For once though , bmw had colors from yellow , to copper (Byzanz) , green, both estoril and avus blue , to purple (violet ) and of course black and white.

The yellow changed over the run ( Dakar I became Dakar II) , as did the violet ( Daytona and techno ) and iirc the red changed from hellRot to Imola. ?

I had a 1988 BMW M3 Henna Red w/ Black interior. I hated when people called my call orange.

Still regret selling the M3

[VCP]

Originally Posted by Benef1cient

I'm a bit torn here. I need some advice from you guys what would you do.
I can take current M2 LCI at a great deal (-20% off MSRP) and get it in March/April or wait and get a HEA/HEPA? (my SA used some kind of acronym for first wave of cars that dealers get) M2 Competition as nobody else is in line right now for one. He confirmed I would get one in July and soon he will share with me a list of options that are available that he can decode from that car they're getting in the first wave (probably what Artemis already shared). Of course M2 Competition with 0% discount then.

My first world problem is that on my local track there are 3 categories <200HP, 201-400HP and 400+ HP groups. If I take M2 LCI, with DP and IC I can easily get 400 and then it's to my driving skills vs the rest to be the best.
But when I go the M2 Competition route I'm in 400+ group but way down the pecking order (with 410HP) against 911 Turbo S, GT3s, M3s etc. Then I know I can probably tune that S55 to 500 HP if they didn't nerf it too much but might be hard to put all that power down with 265 tyres.

M2 Competition has that "novelty" factor, HS colour which I think is going to rock, sport brakes which will help on track and M sport seats that should also keep me in place better. The S55 in ZCP M4 wasn't that bad sounding - but we'll see.

M2 LCI has great sound that can be enhanced with DP + catback, I'd put KW CS or JRZs with camber plates, IC, track pads and ready to go. It doesn't have many issues as seen on this forum. Probably would be much cheaper still with those mods and as much fun to DD too.

I know I probably shouldn't base this choice on these kind of things but just take what I want and enjoy.
Maybe wait till the reveal in April? But then I might not be able to order M2 LCI as it's too late.

20% off MSRP? Case closed.

[Kr0m3assass1n]

WWCHD?!?!

(What would Chris Harris do?)

Sorry VCP and Benef1cient that was meant to be a humorous reply to your original posts above.

Darn mobile app.

[VCP]

Originally Posted by Kr0m3assass1n

WWCHD?!?!

(What would Chris Harris do?)

Sorry VCP that was meant to be a humorous reply to your original post above.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Benef1cient

I'm a bit torn here. I need some advice from you guys what would you do.
I can take current M2 LCI at a great deal (-20% off MSRP) and get it in March/April or wait and get a HEA/HEPA? (my SA used some kind of acronym for first wave of cars that dealers get) M2 Competition as nobody else is in line right now for one. He confirmed I would get one in July and soon he will share with me a list of options that are available that he can decode from that car they're getting in the first wave (probably what Artemis already shared). Of course M2 Competition with 0% discount then.

My first world problem is that on my local track there are 3 categories <200HP, 201-400HP and 400+ HP groups. If I take M2 LCI, with DP and IC I can easily get 400 and then it's to my driving skills vs the rest to be the best.
But when I go the M2 Competition route I'm in 400+ group but way down the pecking order (with 410HP) against 911 Turbo S, GT3s, M3s etc. Then I know I can probably tune that S55 to 500 HP if they didn't nerf it too much but might be hard to put all that power down with 265 tyres.

M2 Competition has that "novelty" factor, HS colour which I think is going to rock, sport brakes which will help on track and M sport seats that should also keep me in place better. The S55 in ZCP M4 wasn't that bad sounding - but we'll see.

M2 LCI has great sound that can be enhanced with DP + catback, I'd put KW CS or JRZs with camber plates, IC, track pads and ready to go. It doesn't have many issues as seen on this forum. Probably would be much cheaper still with those mods and as much fun to DD too.

I know I probably shouldn't base this choice on these kind of things but just take what I want and enjoy.
Maybe wait till the reveal in April? But then I might not be able to order M2 LCI as it's too late.

the M2 cannot properly put the power down with the CURRRENT power it has. if I were you.... I would stay out of the big boy group.

That's a very poor way to class vehicles.. solely on vehicle HP by the way anyway... Even if you are an EXCELLENT driver.. in handgun terms, you are still bringing a .380 vs the other vehicles which are like a 10mm or a .45 ACP or .357 magnum.

As a chief instructor for HPDE events.. I often have to counsel drivers that are upset that I did not place them in the FASTEST run group because of their driving capability. I advise them... even if your name is Bill Auberlen.. your E30 M3. Honda S2000CR, BMW 228, Golf R, or similar vehicle is simply overmatched in the top run groups at a track like Circuit of the Americas. (Aka COTA)

I placed a NATIONAL champion autocross driver in our B group at COTA. He demanded of his instructor to speak with me the Chief Instructor. He asked me for a check ride for the top group. I told him that I had placed him in the B group due to his vehicle being an S2000CR and it was on RE71 (the hot autocross tire). I told him his car is overmatched compared to the 911 GT3RS, GT2, Z51 Vettes, heck... even an X5M in the top group was pounding around.... and even his RE71s will not hold up for a full 30 minute session compared to a True R tire.

He was stubborn... so I said let's go out in the A group. The guy had skillz driving.. no lie.. but his Max speed at the end of the back straight was 128 mph. I told him that a CHILD in a 1M like mine can mash the gas and be at 140-145 at the end of the back straight. I have ridden in cars like a Nisssan GTR that were hitting 160 mph. After the session ended with him giving a ton of point bys to fast cars on the straights.... When we got back to the paddock, he opted to stay in the B run group where he was one of the fastest cars as opposed to being one of the slowest cars in the A group. He certainly had the awareness to be in the A group... but the car was a limiting factor and he did FINALLY accept that. He actually later came back and found me and advised that he had a great time all weekend... the drivers in the b group improved and were much faster.. and as faster cars moved up into A.. the B group got emptier rather than more crowded during the weekend.

back to your situation..

We all know that a well prepped car like a stripped/caged, E36 M3 or E46 M3 with race seats can be the equal of a STOCK M2 on track.

I like the idea of adding better shocks/springs and wheels/tires and or better pads to the LCI. JRZ are AWESOME by the way.



" M sport seats " will only hold you *slightly* better than the current seat... and nothing like a true race seat.

Good luck with your decision... to be honest... to me it seems how much do you want the Hockenheim Silver and the upgraded brakes?

[Benef1cient]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

the M2 cannot properly put the power down with the CURRRENT power it has. if I were you.... I would stay out of the big boy group.

That's a very poor way to class vehicles.. solely on vehicle HP by the way anyway... Even if you are an EXCELLENT driver.. in handgun terms, you are still bringing a .380 vs the other vehicles which are like a 10mm or a .45 ACP or .357 magnum.

As a chief instructor for HPDE events.. I often have to counsel drivers that are upset that I did not place them in the FASTEST run group because of their driving capability. I advise them... even if your name is Bill Auberlen.. your E30 M3. Honda S2000CR, BMW 228, Golf R, or similar vehicle is simply overmatched in the top run groups at a track like Circuit of the Americas. (Aka COTA)

I like the idea of adding better shocks/springs and wheels/tires to the LCI.

We all know that a well prepped car like an E46 M3 that will be faster than a STOCK M2 on track.

Good luck with your decision... to be honest... to me it seems how much do you want the Hockenheim Silver and the upgraded brakes?

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

the M2 cannot properly put the power down with the CURRRENT power it has. if I were you.... I would stay out of the big boy group.

That's a very poor way to class vehicles.. solely on vehicle HP by the way anyway... Even if you are an EXCELLENT driver.. in handgun terms, you are still bringing a .380 vs the other vehicles which are like a 10mm or a .45 ACP or .357 magnum.

As a chief instructor for HPDE events.. I often have to counsel drivers that are upset that I did not place them in the FASTEST run group because of their driving capability. I advise them... even if your name is Bill Auberlen.. your E30 M3. Honda S2000CR, BMW 228, Golf R, or similar vehicle is simply overmatched in the top run groups at a track like Circuit of the Americas. (Aka COTA)

I like the idea of adding better shocks/springs and wheels/tires to the LCI.

We all know that a well prepped car like an E46 M3 that will be faster than a STOCK M2 on track.

Good luck with your decision... to be honest... to me it seems how much do you want the Hockenheim Silver and the upgraded brakes?

Thanks for your insight. This is what I needed.
Brakes I can change to aftermarket later on when I get more experience (next season) so pagids or endless pads + lines and fluid are enough for my level.
I love LBB so no problem there and I can wrap it Jizz Weiss anytime lol

[gsrbri]

Looking forward to passing a few of these CP M2s on-track with my mostly stock LBB 6MT 2017 machine

I bought the car to be more of a momentum car and keep costs down, for track work, vs my previous car (M4). One of the magical parts of the base M2 formula

[goj]

Can we please get a red....

[yousefnjr]

Woah woah woah. M2 CS can be had with 6MT? Is the dream real?

[Benef1cient]

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

Woah woah woah. M2 CS can be had with 6MT? Is the dream real?

M2 Competition - yes.

M2 CS comes next year (if it does) and whether with MT or not is yet unknown.