[Artemis]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

BMW has been known to adjust power output numbers at intro, specifically on M cars (I suspect they have more latitude tweaking engine maps and the resulting output on S engines vs mass market stuff). One thing that's certain is that the number never goes down from its pre-production value.

As we know, some official base M2 figures:

• max output: 272 kW = 370 hp (metric) or 365 hp (mech) @ 6500 rpm;
• max torque: 500 (465+35) Nm = 369 (343+26) lb-ft @ 1400-5560 rpm.

Akrapovič tested a stock M2 (2016). Their test results (see here):

• max output: 284.3 kW = 386.5 hp (metric) or 381.2 hp (mech) @ 5500 rpm;
• max torque: 558.8 Nm = 412.1 lb-ft @ 2500 rpm.

Audi, BMW, Mercedes and Porsche usually tend to be "conservative" about official power output figures of their high performance cars. In reality the car usually has a higher hp value.

Porsche GT Boss Andreas Preuninger about the 385 hp [metric] Cayman GT4 output during launch in February 2015: "It's 385, but it's GT horsepower, so it's at least 385. You know we are always conservative about our horsepower figure. It's 385-ish, I would say, and it feels more." (see here at 03:00).

[SickFinga]

Originally Posted by bklounge

LoL @ the "reliable" bmw sources that stated DCT only

You must've missed this

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...1#post22085101

Also, things change. I can tell you that a bunch of those were switched from DCT to MT at some later point. Which tells me that BMW actually reads the comments here.

edit. Ok, the last statement about the DCT switch-over to MT is not true. I checked my records and there were 6MT M2 CS from the beginning.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by SickFinga

You must've missed this
http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...1#post22085101
Also, things change. I can tell you that a bunch of those were switched from DCT to MT at some later point. Which tells me that BMW actually reads the comments here.

The manual transmission take rate of the M2 evolved to >50% in the USA and Canada (consider also that most 2016 HEA demo cars were spec'ed M-DCT by dealers, leaving no transmission choice for a lot of very early adopters who quickly wanted the car). Furthermore, press was applauding the BMW decision to release the M2 with both M-DCT and 6MT.

Also that could not have gone unnoticed at BMW and BMW M HQ.

See your M2 MY2016 and MY2017stats:

[raysspl]

CCBs would be good to see in the M2 CS

[Lotus99]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

This car will have more than 410hp for sure.

Not too much more if they don't want it to step on the M4's toes...

I'd be surprised if they put it out with the same output as the M4.

[SCOTT26]

Waiting Patiently.....

[Lotus99]

Originally Posted by Artemis

The manual transmission take rate of the M2 evolved to >50% in the USA and Canada (consider also that most 2016 HEA demo cars were spec'ed M-DCT by dealers, leaving no transmission choice for a lot of very early adopters who quickly wanted the car). Furthermore, press was applauding the BMW decision to release the M2 with both M-DCT and 6MT.

Also that could not have gone unnoticed at BMW and BMW M HQ.

See your M2 MY2016 and MY2017stats:

[STATS]

Wow, I'd have never guessed in Germany, only 20% of the M2's sold were manual, vs. 50% here. I thought they were the enthusiasts!

[F87_LCI]

Originally Posted by Lotus99

Wow, I'd have never guessed in Germany, only 20% of the M2's sold were manual, vs. 50% here. I thought they were the enthusiasts!

Um..they're German. Efficiency. Efficiency. Efficiency.

[Artemis]

As we know, Adaptive M Sport Suspension (code 2VF) ain't available for the base M2.

Apparently also doesn't feature in the USA-spec VINs for the "M2 Competition".

[SW19]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Waiting Patiently.....

Not the frog again.I don't remember how long it was before the M2 was released,when you posted the frog the last time.

Artemis Wasn't he on a beach?

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

Not the frog again.I don't remember how long it was before the M2 was released,when you posted the frog the last time.
Artemis Wasn't he on a beach?

Actually, Nantucket:

• he used to drink tea (#1, #2, #3 and #4);
• inevitably, theinism required him to take a leave to recover (#5);
• and now he's into smoking (#6).

On a serious note though, I've always appreciated his input. Often you got to read between the lines of his comments. Or as Suzanne Vega perfectly coined it in her "Language" song: words are just the crust of the meaning with realms underneath.

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Waiting Patiently.....

I'm sure you BMW folks are getting a good laugh at our obsession(s).
Hurry up and release the details already. Soon I will need the ER!

[M2Nebula]

Originally Posted by ChrisK

I'm sure you BMW folks are getting a good laugh at our obsession(s).
Hurry up and release the details already. Soon I will need the ER!

Yes, please hurry, before he "Straight Lines". The CSL will be cheaper than your health care!

[dmboone25]

I am really interested in this thing.

[adc]

I don't mind expensive or limited.

I do question where the extra specialness will come from, compared to an M3/4. It has similar power and weight after all. Could the main differentiator be the shorter wheelbase?

Everything else - suspension, brakes - can be put on any M2/3/4 to increase track performance...

I'd love to be blown away, I'd pay up to $80k on it if it were a measurable step up compared to say an M3 for track work.

Thoughts?

[Bluenose-2er]

All this info and no pricing yet?

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by adc

I don't mind expensive or limited.
I do question where the extra specialness will come from, compared to an M3/4. It has similar power and weight after all. Could the main differentiator be the shorter wheelbase?
Everything else - suspension, brakes - can be put on any M2/3/4 to increase track performance...
I'd love to be blown away, I'd pay up to $80k on it if it were a measurable step up compared to say an M3 for track work.
Thoughts?

It ain't only what it got. It matters more what you can do with it.

Rumor has it that an early-stage M2 with S55 engine lapped the Nürburgring Nordschleife over 8 seconds faster than the M4. If that would be true (BMW: video or it didn't happen !): 07:43/07:44 is fairly close to the 07:42 time clocked by the manual-only Cayman GT4 on Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires back in 2015. But that was 2015 and reported by only one source on a German M2 forum. Time will tell what the finally signed off package will be capable of.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by Zeroblade

So this makes the M2 CS the "true" M car?

Option 428. Nuff said

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by adc

I'd love to be blown away, I'd pay up to $80k on it if it were a measurable step up compared to say an M3 for track work.

Thoughts?

This is a performance focused car. There is no way BMW would not price this with the competition in mind. People would bitch about the value if it didn't measure up on the track.

[SickFinga]

Originally Posted by Artemis

The manual transmission take rate of the M2 evolved to >50% in the USA and Canada (consider also that most 2016 HEA demo cars were spec'ed M-DCT by dealers, leaving no transmission choice for a lot of very early adopters who quickly wanted the car). Furthermore, press was applauding the BMW decision to release the M2 with both M-DCT and 6MT.

Also that could not have gone unnoticed at BMW and BMW M HQ.

Disregard my comment about the DCT to MT switch-over. I guess I mixed up the M2 CS with the M4 CS. I just checked my records and there were 6MT M2 CSs from day one.

[lax01]

Originally Posted by Artemis

It ain't only what it got. It matters more what you can do with it.

Rumor has it that an early-stage M2 with S55 engine lapped the Nürburgring Nordschleife over 8 seconds faster than the M4. If that would be true (BMW: video or it didn't happen !): 07:43/07:44 is fairly close to the 07:42 time clocked by the manual-only Cayman GT4 on Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires back in 2015. But that was 2015 and reported by only one source on a German M2 forum. Time will tell what the finally signed off package will be capable of.

They need to drop like 300-400 lbs out of the car...remove the backseat, remove all un-necessary and heavy sound-deadening. Lighter wheels...lighter brakes. Carbon roof though probably un-necessary. Light rear glass (though probably not DOT approved). Lighter fixed back bucket seats. Radio/AC optional for real stripper-mode like Porsche does

These are the options don't scream track car...they scream compromised street car:
* Optional Park Distance Control front and rear (option code 508)
* Cruise control with brake function
* Adaptive LED Headlights (though if LEDs are lighter than HIDs, then okay)
* Wifi Hotspot
* Wireless Charging
* Backup Camera
* Heated Steering Wheel

Hell, not in the 2017 PE had some of these features...its still a heavy car

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by lax01

They need to drop like 300-400 lbs out of the car...remove the backseat, remove all un-necessary and heavy sound-deadening. Lighter wheels...lighter brakes. Carbon roof though probably un-necessary. Light rear glass (though probably not DOT approved). Lighter fixed back bucket seats. Radio/AC optional for real stripper-mode like Porsche does

These are the options don't scream track car...they scream compromised street car:
* Optional Park Distance Control front and rear (option code 508)
* Cruise control with brake function
* Adaptive LED Headlights (though if LEDs are lighter than HIDs, then okay)
* Wifi Hotspot
* Wireless Charging
* Backup Camera
* Heated Steering Wheel

Hell, not in the 2017 PE had some of these features...its still a heavy car

You can't get that much weight reduction with this platform. Hell a CF roof is less than 15lbs. lol. The entire back seat only weighs like 40lbs!

I hear you though, my last car with 380hp weighed 500lbs less than the M2. I'm all for it.