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View Poll Results: M2 Competition base price guesstimate (USA)
same price as current M2 2 1.04%
around $2K more 3 1.55%
around $3K more 14 7.25%
around $5K more 50 25.91%
over $5K more 124 64.25%
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      12-13-2017, 01:10 PM   #23
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As we know, some official base M2 figures:
  • max output: 272 kW = 370 hp (metric) or 365 hp (mech [USA]) @ 6500 rpm
  • max torque: 500 (465+35) Nm = 369 (343+26) lb-ft @ 1400-5560 rpm
Akrapovič tested a stock M2 (2016) (i.e. before fitting their exhaust). Their test results (see here):
  • max output: 284.3 kW = 386.5 hp (metric) or 381.2 hp (mech [USA]) @ 5500 rpm
    = 272 kW + 4.5221%
  • max torque: 558.8 Nm = 412.1 lb-ft @ 2500 rpm
    = 500 Nm + 11.76%
M2 Competition:
  • max output: 302 kW = 410.6 hp (metric) or 405 hp (mech [USA])
Purely hypothetical exercise: if exactly the same factor as measured by Akrapovič for the base M2 would apply for the M2 Competition, you get the following results:
  • max output: 302 kW + 4.5221% = 315.66 kW = 429.2 hp (metric) or 423.3 hp (mech [USA])
As I understand it typically BMW underrates their engines a lot more than they did with the N55 M2. BMW underrates the S55 power a lot more than the M2 N55. Now, perhaps BMW won't leave much extra on the detuned S55, anything could happen, but if it's similar to the M3/M4 I would expect at least an 80 HP difference between the M2 and M2 Comp when the power is actually measured.
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      12-13-2017, 03:32 PM   #24
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As I understand it typically BMW underrates their engines a lot more than they did with the N55 M2. BMW underrates the S55 power a lot more than the M2 N55. Now, perhaps BMW won't leave much extra on the detuned S55, anything could happen, but if it's similar to the M3/M4 I would expect at least an 80 HP difference between the M2 and M2 Comp when the power is actually measured.
this is curious. why does BMW understate their performance?
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      12-13-2017, 06:03 PM   #25
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Yet another way to look at it is these S55 cars seem to run WHP numbers very close to their rated crank power (on Dynojet). So if the M2 Competition comes rated at 405HP there's a strong possibility it will make 405WHP with the factory tune.
^^ this. On point again, Sir Chako. The M2 was expected to be along the lines, and "surprised" us with "only" ~380 hp @ crank.
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      12-13-2017, 08:40 PM   #26
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this is curious. why does BMW understate their performance?
Not to deviate from the main topic of the thread, my $0.02:

Unlike N/A engines, turbocharged ones are more sensitive to variations in intrinsic (i.e. temperature) and environmental variables. A safe practice is to declare lowest throughput bound achieved with the least favorable input set (fuel, air conditions, engine temp, etc). It is smart from both engineering and legal standpoints --if it holds for the worst case scenario, holds for all... plus BMW won't get hit with a class action for false advertisement. From a marketing standpoint, it maintains/respects model "hierarchy". And it might even help keeping insurance premiums lower.

Conjectures of mine, though, I have no factual information from BMW to sustain the claims above.
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      12-13-2017, 11:05 PM   #27
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Another angle: according to DINAN (mid page, Specs tab), the S55 in the M3/4 base, non-ZCP:
BMW Factory Rated HP: 425 (484 Measured)
BMW Factory Rated Tq: 406 (446 Measured)

Also purely hypothetical, using the above, linearly adjusting:
Rumored M2 Comp HP: 405 --> 461 Measured?
Rumored M2 Comp Tq: 400 --> 440 Measured?

Now a hypothetical wish: whatever the numbers turn out to be, I secretly hope they fit it with (at least 0.5") wider rear wheels/tires...
Yet another way to look at it is these S55 cars seem to run WHP numbers very close to their rated crank power (on Dynojet). So if the M2 Competition comes rated at 405HP there's a strong possibility it will make 405WHP with the factory tune.

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Not likely on the wider wheels. All F80/82/87 have had 9 "and 10" wheels (except for the GTS with 9.5 and 10.5). But they can clearly put wider tires on the same 9" and 10" wheel:

F87: 245/265
F80/82 base: 255/275
F80/82 Comp pack: 265/285

But I agree and hope that it has wider rubber, or Cup 2 tires ...and I'm thinking about this for the limited edition model CS if it ends up being made. No way the M2 Competition is going to have cup 2 tires.
I tend to agree with you that they will leave the wheel width and go with 255/275 (non-cup) tires.
275/35? might just fit? Wonder if they will be dropping 10mm in line with most zcp. They may need to add camber.

As for pricing it would seem that demand persists despite 2018s increase for virtually no additional equipment. So it stands to reason you will see a hefty increase for the fully fledged M car. Seats, mirrors, motor. 5K+ easy.
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I voted over $5k. The only way it can be below a $5k increase is if BMW only upgrades the engine and that's it.
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it depends.

If its an "add on" to the base, as a comp pack, then it will be a $4k option.

If its a CS model, then it will be $5k more.

Hunch is it will be an M2 CS that is $6k more. Remember they will build to a price, and not steal from M4 sales.

Similar to the early Cayman vs. 911 days.
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I have no reason to believe that a limited edition M2 CS needs to less that a base M3/M4, especially when an M4 CS is so much more than a base M4. IMHO, a M2 CS typically would not attract most base M3/M4 buyers. CSs are tilted toward the track, so many buyers will not put up with the suspension or the lightened interior deletions.
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I have no reason to believe that a limited edition M2 CS needs to less that a base M3/M4, especially when an M4 CS is so much more than a base M4. IMHO, a M2 CS typically would not attract most base M3/M4 buyers. CSs are tilted toward the track, so many buyers will not put up with the suspension or the lightened interior deletions.
M2 Competition ≠ M2 CS
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I have no reason to believe that a limited edition M2 CS needs to less that a base M3/M4, especially when an M4 CS is so much more than a base M4. IMHO, a M2 CS typically would not attract most base M3/M4 buyers. CSs are tilted toward the track, so many buyers will not put up with the suspension or the lightened interior deletions.
M2 Competition ≠ M2 CS
I'm not the one to whom you need to explain that. Try previous posts.
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