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Anyways, if the manual gearbox mechanics are exactly the same and journalists would claim that 'the rubbery feel' has been remedied, BMW will smile. Like the waiter bringing wine, people complain without reason, the waiter takes away that bottle but brings it back after a few moments and people confirm that it's OK now. Tag, this manual gearbox question could be added to your 'Questions for Beijing' thread (see here): same or optimized ? For your convenience I include an excerpt from the M2 Technical Training, indeed also mentioning a "new type of carbon fibre friction lining at the synchronisation units":
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No, they just built a car out of the parts bin, with an emphasis on tweaking rather than in-depth engineering. It seems like every edition of the M2 is just a placeholder for the next one, until we finally get to an all-new architecture in 2020.
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Agreed. I heard nothing in that clip I didn't like. Sounds deeper than the N55. Everyone holds the N55 on a pedal-stool and as much as I love N55 - it's still a turbo.
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Not that it matters to you, but based off reading your posts since I've joined this forum, that's the car that would seem to fit more of what you want. I actually thought the M2C would be more closer to that model. I'm not a hardcore track guy, but I always liked the idea of them putting coil-overs on the car from the factory. That alone, made me like the performance edition, though I know I wouldn't utilize it the way some would (you included).
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One thing that track guys typically do anyway, is go with square tire set up, for rotation purposes. that will more than compensate for any under steer. |
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What is The M2 Competition? But a concept born out of necessity.
Necessary for its requirement and interest for progressive performance but also necessary for survival. It's Survival in regards to accommodating EU legislation meant that there had to be a more emphatic upgrade to the car but not lose focus of its enthusiast base. To some it maybe less or more the sum of its parts. But it's a sign that people are listening especially when an enthusiast segment is declining in terms of percentage against overall sales. If the M2 was not successful we would not see such extensive transplant surgery to create the Competition. The success of the M2 granted its progression and should M2 Competition perform as well then we move to the next stage. But only you can make it happen.
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Also peak torque starts later in the curve compared to m4.
The m2c looks like a sweet sweet car but given the choice I'll take f82 because: peak torque at 1850 - 5500 rpm, adaptive suspension, and overall esthetics. Personally I think the m4 looks better but both are beautiful and will create multiple look backs. |
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On the other hand this will be most likely the best bmw for drivers in the F generation. It has good chassis, true twin turbo engine that can be tuned and it seems like excellent brakes and then all other upgrades. The styling is what it is but if they put the feel back in it enthusiasts will be ecstatic. The only concern is the weight but it may be able to hide it. I wish they'd offer manual seats. I can't wait to read reviews. So far Chevy, Ford and Porsche are killing it and enthusiasts are leaving bmw. I am looking at P cars, new and used, more often than 5 years ago. Maybe somebody cares to change that. We shall see ... |
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The styling doesn't attract me (I don't even care for the LCI changes inside and out), certainly not the sound. What intrigues me is updates to the handling and power. But we can't know that verdict until it's tested, and even by then it's one reviewer's word against another. Who knows how you'll like it when you do get to drive it for the first time. What I do know for sure is this. Drove the M4 numerous times on/off track and it's always been a handful with S55 characteristics. Abrupt power delivery, hard to put the power down and tail happy. The current M2 however, is so well balanced in it's power/weight/chassis. It's so easy to rotate and steers very neutral on the track. The power is just right, not too much not too little for the chassis. It doesn't try to kill you but it knows you want to go around corners very fast. It's not meant to be a power monster, but it does what it was intended to do so very well. So ask yourself, are these characteristics what you're looking for in a car? Or you'll see yourself immediately getting the itch to tune it and up the power? |
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It wouldn't be the first time that they were caught with copying and pasting the wrong info. On the other hand, it wouldn't be the first time that they said the original M2 had something but ended up not having it. Anyone take apart their m2 shifter and see carbon fiber?
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In the right direction... it has a proper M engine now.
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I like the engine and cooling system, the bigger brakes, the red start button, and the m colors on the seat belt. I like the shape of the seats but i don't love the color in the perforations. I dislike the front end (grill and bumper and the three slots in the middle) and i really dislike that huge muffler hanging off the back. I also dislike that unused button but maybe I can retro something onto that like turning off the rear parking sensors. I can live with the sound. I don't need to have too much power on the twisties but i wouldn't mind having some pull on the straights. The kind of pull that makes it so your eyes can't focus well. |
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But it still doesn't have a proper carbon roof!
Kidding aside, I like the fact that it's getting an s designated engine. When I think of 'm car', I think the m2c is a better 'm car'. But when i think of choosing it over the current m2, i get the feeling that i'm giving up on my real dream. |
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You make some excellent points. Just on paper, I don't think going from 370 to 400 hp sounds like a bad thing. However, when considering that abrupt power delivery the S55 has taken some critic for, then maybe one could worry about it. My guess is that BMW has improved on some of those things. For one the power is lower than in the M3/M4, and I also think some of that snap over steer th M3/m4 suffered from, isn't all from engine related, but from the chassis. They didn't hit a home run with the M3 chassis from what I've read, watched and heard, at least not at first. I believe the M3 Competition has gotten much better reviews in that regard, and that should bode well for the M2 competitions. It goes to show you that they continually improve on these cars. So if they can take the M3 from so so to good. Then they surely can take the M2 from good to excellent. I'm going to go out on a limb and say they made the car better all around. |
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