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M mirrors and seats?? Haha, talk about missing the M-point...
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So the number of doors prove your M-point? Don't make me laugh
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I used to be a purist and it's fun to debate what they get right and wrong but in the end, I just need to love driving it and be comfortable in it. For me, the F87 is that BMW for now and it's a BARGAIN! I've included a pic of the F80 and F87 trunk badges that I have on my garage wall because I noticed the the 3 that Harris pulled out at the end of the video and the font on the F80 is bigger. I roundel is from the F80, bumper got damaged and put a new roundel on it. I think they do it to make her butt look smaller in these badges.
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One day I'll hopefully drive an M2; I wanted one for a while, but opted for the 4-door bigger brother since I have a 2-year-old and baby seats. Maybe then I'll have a chance to experience what I've always guessed - not that the M2 is what an M3 was/is supposed to be, but that the M2 is what a BMW is supposed to be. |
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I know I'm on the Internet where logic and reason are optional and all that but guys like you just make yourself look bad posting stuff like this. The F80 M3 is a great car. The F87 M2 is a great car. One sacrifices driving dynamics for luxury. The other sacrifices luxury for dynamics (and price). Both represent different aspects of the Motorsport division and we each buy whichever matches our individual priorities. Maybe some day BMW will nail the best of both worlds. Last edited by AngryBaby; 01-13-2017 at 10:28 PM.. Reason: Pino noir |
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But is it an M4 though? :
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They want him to be to much like Jeremy Clarkson. I would rather him go back to Chris Harris on Cars, not told what to say and how to act.
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Perhaps should take a page out of your own book (exercise logic) and read the context of the conversation instead of jumping to conclusions.
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Heading on over to the M2 classifieds section....don't mind me folks "whistles"
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BMW should have made 4 series sedans, coupes and convertibles, and left the name 3 series for what is currently the 2 series lineup and they should have retained a sedan. Then you would still have an M3 coupe , M3 sedan and convertible still and also have an M4 coupe, sedan and convertible. It would have kept the name M3 assigned to a reasonably small wheelbase, nimble 2 door coupe, which is the way it was for 4 generations . The fact that the M3 30 Jahre is a sedan only is sad. By adding to the BMW lineup and making a larger 4 series above the original 3 series name .. BMW actually would be better aligned with all its competitors which are selling multiple luxury compact sedan models. AUDI- A3 introduced below A4 BMW - 3 series ONLY Mercedes - CLA introduced below C class Lexus - IS introduced below ES Acura- ILX below TLX Infinity- Q50 below Q70 Mercedes used the popularity of the smaller CLA ( sedan only - not Coupe !) along with C class sales to take the Luxury compact class going away this year. BMW has tried to explode the 3 and 4 series into as many variants as possible (gran coupes, GT, etc) and added more models like the 320/420 and while that worked for 2015 they've lost ground this year and likely for the near future. |
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Should we really believe him?
I mean, he is just an entertainer. Today he says this car is the best, tomorrow it is another car. He is just all positive guy about any car. I like his reviews, they are entertaining for sure, but to hear his judgement on cars, after watching multiple of his reviews, there are no bad cars - all cars are great. So as a hard working person who saved up 50-60k for a car of the person's dream, you better watch motor trend. Those guys at least have some balls to call out some negative things about cars they review.
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Too bad for the crybabies in this thread that BMW didn't feel that was appropriate. The M2 is the M2 and the M3 is the M3. The M2 "could've & should've" had an S-series engine as well. But it is neither an M3 nor does it have a Motorsport engine.
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We all pick and chose what we want to believe. A reviewer gave a good review on the car you have or like "see I told you, it's a great car". Gave a bad review? "The guy doesn't know how to drive, or he doesn't own the car, what the f|%# does he know." |
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This model was born and bred for the 6MT.
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And then they later in had the 8 series. Both the 6 series and the 8 series are coupes, and even numbers. And one could even say, that the 8 series was a 7 series coupe, just like how the 6 series became the 5 series coupe. So by logic, a 4 series would be the 3 series coupe, and the 2 series would be the 1 series coupe, which in Europe it technically is. Yes, the A3 is below the A4, the A3 has been around since 1996. The B5 A4 was created to competed against the 3 series and replace the Audi 80. Production back in 1995 But, the A5 was a coupe version of the A4. And the A5 Liftback is Audi's version of the 4 series Gran Coupe or what Mercedes has popularized as the "4 door Coupe" with the first gen CLS, which was a E class in fancy clothes. While the IS was positioned under the ES, but it was also to be under the GS as a 3 series competitor---entry level RWD sporty car. Even the I.S. Stands for Intelligent Sport. The ES has been a mainstay, the entry level car that was based on the Camry (now Avalon), but then when the IS came along, as a "3 series fighter". The ILX was introduced after Honda/Acura discontinued the TSX (Euro Honda Accord), and combined the TSX and TL into the TLX. So, the ILX became the entry level sedan that the TSX was (RSX, TSX, TL, RL). And yes, the CLA is the sedan Mercedes developed to be under the C class. And BMW's Chinese only (for now) FWD 1 series sedan was developed for the same reason. What has been forgotten is that the for all the cars, Audi A4 and up, BMW 3 and up, Mercedes C and up, have grown to the point where there is a need for a segment under them. So that means that Audi is now producing a car simila in size to their first gen A4 with their A3. Mercedes now is producing a car similar in size to their early 2000s C Class. And BMW has made a 2 series coupe that is similar in size to the E46 coupe. They effed up previously, by making a 1 series coupe and 2-4 door hatch for Europe. If BMW had stuck to "their logic", then when they developed the 1st gen 1 series, it would have been a sedan and hatchback, and created the 2 series as a coupe. Therefore, they would have had a jump on Mercedes, but not on Audi, as Audi has had the A3 since 1996. And then this current gen 2 series may have gotten a 2 series GC. Or maybe not, because a RWD 4 door coupe would take away from the 3 series and 4GC. This is the problem with creating niches, they become convoluted bitches to fill. |
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