[vinny84]

Originally Posted by chmura

I think the M2 CS is going to be more mainstream, maybe it will not beat the production numbers of the standard M2 but it will nowhere be limited as the M4 GTS.

Not sure why people are comparing it to the GTS.

Doubt it. M2 LCI will be the mainstream model, BMW already announced a ramp up in production. CS will be limited, probably just as much as the GTS. Those who already have a deposit will be the lucky ones imo.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by ryem3

Wow, that is the hard press!
Tell me, how many m4 gts's did those dealers get?
Probably your first clue if the dealer will get an m2 cs.

The 2 texas dealerships got 2 GTS allocations each. 1 dealership sold them at MSRP and the other at 10K over after getting permission to do so.
The Atlanta and California dealerships got 1 each and sold them at MSRP.
Not sure about the Idaho dealership.

Plan is to get an early allocation and auction off the others.

[cc3]

German motoring press think base cost 90000 euros so this won't be cheap. They say likely ceramic brakes and far better aerodynamics. At least 400 Bhp from M3 engine. CS will be track focused. Some speculation about weight reduction also All encouraging if true !

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by cc3

German motoring press think base cost 90000 euros so this won't be cheap.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by cc3

German motoring press think base cost 90000 euros so this won't be cheap. They say likely ceramic brakes and far better aerodynamics. At least 400 Bhp from M3 engine. CS will be track focused. Some speculation about weight reduction also All encouraging if true !

90000 euros would probably translate to 80K USD. Very close to the GT4 price. 80K is about 10K - 15K too high for this car.

It's basically lesser spec than a regular M3/M4 but 15K more ?
Does not make sense and don't see that happening. The M2 CS should be around the 65K mark in the US.

[vinny84]

Originally Posted by Gatte

90000 euros would probably translate to 80K USD. Very close to the GT4 price. 80K is about 10K - 15K too high for this car.

It's basically lesser spec than a regular M3/M4 but 15K more ?
Does not make sense and don't see that happening. The M2 CS should be around the 65K mark in the US.

How would it be lesser spec if it weighs less than a M3 and has the same power? I mean this is all speculation, but if it's more track focused with CCB, CF seats etc. then it would be priced right and it would blow the doors off the M4.

At that point, it would make sense that this will be very limited production.

[Nine Lives]

90000 euro is quite a hike,something like £30K more over the standard model in the UK as a direct comparison.This will certainly sort the wheat from the chaff as far as potential buyers are concerned and put off some of the speculators (probably not).

It's going to have to be demonstratably better for this money,including a decent interior rather than relying on badge nostalgia to prop it up as competition is getting pretty stiff at this level....if true of course.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Nine Lives

90000 euro is quite a hike,something like £30K more over the standard model in the UK as a direct comparison.This will certainly sort the wheat from the chaff as far as potential buyers are concerned and put off some of the speculators (probably not).
It's going to have to be demonstratably better for this money,including a decent interior rather than relying on badge nostalgia to prop it up as competition is getting pretty stiff at this level....if true of course.

Approx. a decade ago 1 E46 M3 CSL = approx. 1.5 E46 M3.

Price hike: it was low on standard gear and options, no significant exterior changes to the human eye (mainly a different bumper in the front, great wheels, bigger trunk lid and CSL badges), but stronger, faster, lighter, louder, use of different materials, and you kept the back seats.

History may repeat itself. And the future is usually more expensive.

[filet.M2c]

Originally Posted by Gatte

90000 euros would probably translate to 80K USD. Very close to the GT4 price. 80K is about 10K - 15K too high for this car.

It's basically lesser spec than a regular M3/M4 but 15K more ?
Does not make sense and don't see that happening. The M2 CS should be around the 65K mark in the US.

I agree, this car should not be priced >$70K. Anything greater and the competition becomes more appealing. GT4 was $85K with similar HP numbers (granted less torque) but weighs 500 lbs less than the M2. There is no way BMW is cutting significant weight for the CS and porsche has always been more $ for similar performance. Also, on paper the CS will not look like a huge upgrade from the base M2. The laymen could not justify spending $30K for say 20 hp/ 20 ft-lbs more and a nicer interior.

[Destroya]

It's not going to be a luxurious car, it will be as spartan as the current model but track focused. If people want luxury go M4.

[MerlinPurple]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Approx. a decade ago 1 E46 M3 CSL = approx. 1.5 E46 M3.

Price hike: it was low on standard gear and options, no significant exterior changes to the human eye (mainly a different bumper in the front and CSL badges), but stronger, faster, lighter, louder, use of different materials, and you kept the back seats.

History may repeat itself. And the future is usually more expensive.

Exactly what I was thinking.

It depends how much influence the 'product/sales' teams have.

For example, the CSL had lots more changes in the pipeline including the removal of the rear seats but the sales team rejected the move; they wanted 4 seats.

Full interview with the CSL team here:

http://www.pistonheads.com/features/...ph-meets/27915

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by Nine Lives

90000 euro is quite a hike,something like £30K more over the standard model in the UK as a direct comparison.This will certainly sort the wheat from the chaff as far as potential buyers are concerned and put off some of the speculators (probably not).

It's going to have to be demonstratably better for this money,including a decent interior rather than relying on badge nostalgia to prop it up as competition is getting pretty stiff at this level....if true of course.

Agreed. I think £65k might be my cut off. I can't see it being more than that as it's not like the M4GTS hhmmmm. Time will tell, very exciting model of it has major changes.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by MerlinPurple

Exactly what I was thinking.
It depends how much influence the 'product/sales' teams have.
For example, the CSL had lots more changes in the pipeline including the removal of the rear seats but the sales team rejected the move; they wanted 4 seats.
Full interview with the CSL team here:
http://www.pistonheads.com/features/...ph-meets/27915

Those thinking that the M2 CS will change hands for just a few grand over the 'base' M2: dream on. If you want the M2 CS, start saving M3/M4 cash. Otherwise, consider the 'base' M2 to be a bargain.

"Too expensive ! Too close to Porsche price territory !". Also further to the 'base' M2 frenzy, BMW knows that the M2 CS will sell like hot cakes, even if they charge M3/M4 money for it. In the future, do yourself a favor by spec'ing a Porsche with comparable performance figures with all the M2 CS standard gear and let's talk again about what left your wallet in the end. And, the fact that your kid can fit in decent back seats of daddy's fast car, may be a unique selling point for your significant other.

"The [E46 M3 CSL] never made it to the U.S. market and in the British market it was considered a very expensive car, as it was about £20,000 ($32,000 at the current exchange rates) more expensive than a standard M3. [...] In 2004 the M3 CSL was priced at £58,455 list price (around $92,000 at today’s exchange rate, but considerably more back then). Many have considered the CSL a very expensive car, but it was rather cheap when compared to a £100,000 Porsche and the £120,000-plus Ferrari, which delivered the same performance figures."
(http://www.topspeed.com/cars/bmw/200...-ar157689.html)

[Hegge]

Artemis: Can you confirm the M2 CS in the US? If so, what is the base price? Around $67K? Also, some are mentioning March 2018, is that correct?

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Hegge

Artemis: Can you confirm the M2 CS in the US? If so, what is the base price? Around $67K? Also, some are mentioning March 2018, is that correct?

See here:

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Both M2 CS and M4 CS are to be offered in the North American market.

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

* Did I say "M2 CS" in my previous update? I meant "M2 Competition," of course. Sorry.
About the S55-equipped M2: it's actually unclear, what it'll get as the official name. There are "M2 CS", "M2 Cs", and "M2 Competition" mentioned. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. But even if it's the latter, it won't be the equivalent of M2 with ZCP: remember, it's a totally different engine, not an ECU reflash like ZCP does. And yes, in the US it will be MY2019.

Pricing ? As recent spy shots illustrate, the M2 CS is currently still under development (winter testing). I guess it will still take many months before BMW releases M2 CS info. In the meantime we'll have to settle with speculation. For sure, BMW is aware that also the competition is working on ± 400hp cars.

[JustChris]

I think our next info will come from official release of M4CS should allow us to see the % price hike and kit that comes as standard.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Those thinking that the M2 CS will change hands for just a few grand over the 'base' M2: dream on. If you want the M2 CS, start saving M3/M4 cash. Otherwise, consider the 'base' M2 to be a bargain.

"Too expensive ! Too close to Porsche price territory !". Also further to the 'base' M2 frenzy, BMW knows that the M2 CS will sell like hot cakes, even if they charge M3/M4 money for it. In the future, do yourself a favor by spec'ing a Porsche with comparable performance figures with all the M2 CS standard gear and let's talk again about what left your wallet in the end. And, the fact that your kid can fit in decent back seats of daddy's fast car, may be a unique selling point for your significant other.

"The [E46 M3 CSL] never made it to the U.S. market and in the British market it was considered a very expensive car, as it was about £20,000 ($32,000 at the current exchange rates) more expensive than a standard M3. [...] In 2004 the M3 CSL was priced at £58,455 list price (around $92,000 at today’s exchange rate, but considerably more back then). Many have considered the CSL a very expensive car, but it was rather cheap when compared to a £100,000 Porsche and the £120,000-plus Ferrari, which delivered the same performance figures."
(http://www.topspeed.com/cars/bmw/200...-ar157689.html)

M3/M4 money for the CS is what it could be. That would translate to approx. 65k in the US.

If it is the CSL and not the CS, 1.5 times M2 money (approx. 75K USD) would probably be good value. That price would still be a little cheaper than the comparable porsche (not the same difference as the E46 M3 CSL of course).

[ryem3]

Originally Posted by Gatte

The 2 texas dealerships got 2 GTS allocations each. 1 dealership sold them at MSRP and the other at 10K over after getting permission to do so.
The Atlanta and California dealerships got 1 each and sold them at MSRP.
Not sure about the Idaho dealership.

Plan is to get an early allocation and auction off the others.

Market manipulator!

My dealer got 3.
I'm hot on the list at MSRP. So far the notion of bigger brakes, the S55 and a digital dash will be enough to make it very appealing. Other items would be icing on the cake. The current car is $55k. This will certainly cost more than a $5-8k competition package. I'll be guessing less than $70k, but probably won't give you much change back from $70k. Will be interesting to see how it shakes out.

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by JustChris

I think our next info will come from official release of M4CS should allow us to see the % price hike and kit that comes as standard.

Imminent.

[Nine Lives]

Originally Posted by JustChris

I think our next info will come from official release of M4CS should allow us to see the % price hike and kit that comes as standard.

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Imminent.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Nine Lives

Right on time ...

@Gatte

Have you noticed how info leaks out on the M2 and the M4. ?

A little M4 here.. then a little M2 there ... then some M4.. LCI then back to M2 LCI.. then M4 CS... sighting .. M2 CS sighting .. M4 CS pricing is imminent .. then M2 CS pricing will come after .. then the M4 CS goes on sale... etc... but after the M2 CS goes on sale ... is there nothing more .... until the next gen for both ?

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Right on time ...

@Gatte

Have you noticed how info leaks out on the M2 and the M4. ?

A little M4 here.. then a little M2 there ... then some M4.. LCI then back to M2 LCI.. then M4 CS... sighting .. M2 CS sighting .. M4 CS pricing is imminent .. then M2 CS pricing will come after .. then the M4 CS goes on sale... etc... but after the M2 CS goes on sale ... is there nothing more .... until the next gen for both ?

M5 & M6 party soon(ish) too of course....