Corner-by-Corner Comparison of BMW M2 vs M4 on Hockenheimring

Bobdaxx · 03-30-2016, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Adem1534

Stitching, alcantara, carbon fiber trim, M steering wheel, DCT knob (vs standard auto).

That should all count as interior, no?

I think steering wheels are exact

04S · 03-30-2016, 06:33 PM

Yes that is all correct. But, apart from the steering wheel which is great, the interior does not feel any better than an M235. There is minimal alcantara. And the hard plastics are a real disappointment. The leather on the seats is pretty low rent too.

Having said all that it is a great car to drive.

M3 Adjuster · 03-30-2016, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jcoop269

Perhaps it was the weight factor...lighter engine, lighter body, faster speeeeeed.

Don't forget shorter wheelbase so it turns in better and clearly, it's got a lot more grip in the corners.

Yep.. Even When handicapped with a smaller tire!

M3 Adjuster · 03-30-2016, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 04S

Yes that is all correct. But, apart from the steering wheel which is great, the interior does not feel any better than an M235. There is minimal alcantara. And the hard plastics are a real disappointment. The leather on the seats is pretty low rent too.

Having said all that it is a great car to drive.

If you want a comfy, posh, GT car.. Go ahead and get an M3/M4

Matter of fact .. Knock yourself out with extended leather man.. It's cool.....

M3 Adjuster · 03-30-2016, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dexterspeed

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Originally Posted by Jason

Here's a great corner-by-corner analysis of the BMW M2 vs M4 on the Hockenheimring (short track), compiled by DeDe.

These stats come from the fastest lap of each car as driven by Sport Auto. The driver was Uwe Sener. The top values are for the M4 and bottom ones for the M2.

We can see how well the cars compare in terms of corner speed, lateral G forces, and top speed at the end of the straight. The two M coupes show themselves to be fairly evenly matched on the short track.

Attachment 1390778

So the M3/M4 needs wider tires and a bit of a front spoiler and rear spoiler.
A good set of Ohlin's, JB4 tune.

I know there are many M2 fans and its a nice car, with an interior that needs to be ripped out. There is nothing different from the 235 aside from stitching.

That said, M3/M4 rocks would take a RUF instead. LOL. M2 only if was for free.

Yo! This is so funny !

- M3/M4 already * HAS * wider tires- by 10 mm check it !

- Already *has * a good set of Ohlin's .. Ok maybe not Ohlins , but magnetic suspension is available.

- Already *has * JB4 tune.... Aka. S55.

And yet... The M2 clearly corners better and..if all things were indeed equal.. If you put the same tires and S55 on an M2 ( CS anyone?! ) The M4 would be eating the M2s dust, probably to the tune of at least half second a lap on this track ...

Is the M4 faster? Yes... Quicker ? Hell no..

FogCityM3 · 03-30-2016, 07:50 PM

As I've mentioned numerous times before, a smaller, more agile car is preferable for faster lap times, despite the roughly equivalent weight. Here we had a Hockenheim expert driving--for the average amateur driver, the results will probably be even better in the M2. Also, if you can enter and exit corners faster, guess what you're faster on the straights too as you carry faster speed from the turn. Anyone can mash a pedal on the straights and think they're killing everyone, but a more agile car will not only be faster on the fun tracks, but also much more rewarding to drive. Having driven a new F82, not even sure you can call the car a luxurious coupe, the road noise is louder than my E9x with coilovers, a bbk and competition tires and the ride is just as jarring, if not even more so if I set the coilovers to soft/street. Don't expect the M2 to be any better in this regard, but you would expect that in a pocket-rocket with no pretenses and know what you're in for. Well done, BMW!

Appeltje · 03-30-2016, 08:29 PM

Those are great numbers for the M2, but as an M4 owner I'm quite disappointed as it should be the other way around.

ASAP · 03-30-2016, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

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Originally Posted by Dexterspeed

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Originally Posted by Jason

Here's a great corner-by-corner analysis of the BMW M2 vs M4 on the Hockenheimring (short track), compiled by DeDe.

These stats come from the fastest lap of each car as driven by Sport Auto. The driver was Uwe Sener. The top values are for the M4 and bottom ones for the M2.

We can see how well the cars compare in terms of corner speed, lateral G forces, and top speed at the end of the straight. The two M coupes show themselves to be fairly evenly matched on the short track.

Attachment 1390778

So the M3/M4 needs wider tires and a bit of a front spoiler and rear spoiler.
A good set of Ohlin's, JB4 tune.

I know there are many M2 fans and its a nice car, with an interior that needs to be ripped out. There is nothing different from the 235 aside from stitching.

That said, M3/M4 rocks would take a RUF instead. LOL. M2 only if was for free.

Yo! This is so funny !

- M3/M4 already * HAS * wider tires- by 10 mm check it !

- Already *has * a good set of Ohlin's .. Ok maybe not Ohlins , but magnetic suspension is available.

- Already *has * JB4 tune.... Aka. S55.

And yet... The M2 clearly corners better and..if all things were indeed equal.. If you put the same tires and S55 on an M2 ( CS anyone?! ) The M4 would be eating the M2s dust, probably to the tune of at least half second a lap on this track ...

Is the M4 faster? Yes... Quicker ? Hell no..

magnetic?

nick85 · 03-30-2016, 08:33 PM

M2 a Leo Messi

M4 a Christiano Ronaldo

CanAutM3 · 03-30-2016, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

- M3/M4 already * HAS * wider tires- by 10 mm check it !

It is important to note that there is more going on than just section width when comparing tires. It is fundamentally tread width that counts.

Comparing the Star spec BMW MPSS for tread width according to Tire Rack data:

245/35R19: 8.8"
255/35R19: 8.5"

265/35R19: 9.4"
275/35R19: 9.5"

Based on those dimensions, it would seem the M2 has effectively a WIDER contact patch by 0.3" (8mm) in front and a narrower one by 0.1" (3mm) in the rear. Quite different than what the 10mm narrower section widths suggests...

BTW, this does not take away anything from the M2, which turns out to be quite a nifty little thing

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bradleyland · 03-30-2016, 10:25 PM

Love this kind of analysis, but to be honest it all comes down to which car you want. Yes, 0.2s is a meaningful margin of victory in a racing series, but between two road cars... Honestly. You can relax if you own an M4, because it's exceedingly unlikely that you can string together two laps that are within 0.2s of each other unless you spend multiple weekends per year at the track. I know there are some of you out there, but seriously, these are road cars. It's great that BMW have offered us two cars with such superlative performance. Now we all get to choose which one we prefer!

Car22 · 03-30-2016, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bradleyland

Love this kind of analysis, but to be honest it all comes down to which car you want. Yes, 0.2s is a meaningful margin of victory in a racing series, but between two road cars... Honestly. You can relax if you own an M4, because it's exceedingly unlikely that you can string together two laps that are within 0.2s of each other unless you spend multiple weekends per year at the track. I know there are some of you out there, but seriously, these are road cars. It's great that BMW have offered us two cars with such superlative performance. Now we all get to choose which one we prefer!

Word brutha

Diver · 03-30-2016, 10:51 PM

M2 stays glued to the track. Pretty amazing considering how an M4 has a much better power to weight ratio.

mrduder · 03-30-2016, 11:30 PM

I'm confused??? the long straight was the only spot the M4 had a higher speed. so how did it do the lap faster? the M2 did almost the entire rest of the track faster....

ORIGIN M. · 03-30-2016, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by stvding

Will xDrive make M go faster around track???

Absolutely.

ORIGIN M. · 03-30-2016, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobdaxx

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Originally Posted by Adem1534

Stitching, alcantara, carbon fiber trim, M steering wheel, DCT knob (vs standard auto).

That should all count as interior, no?

I think steering wheels are exact

Close... but no cigar !

gmzanatta · 03-31-2016, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CanAutM3

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Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

- M3/M4 already * HAS * wider tires- by 10 mm check it !

It is important to note that there is more going on than just section width when comparing tires. It is fundamentally tread width that counts.

Comparing the Star spec BMW MPSS for tread width according to Tire Rack data:

245/35R19: 8.8"
255/35R19: 8.5"

265/35R19: 9.4"
275/35R19: 9.5"

Based on those dimensions, it would seem the M2 has effectively a WIDER contact patch by 0.3" (8mm) in front and a narrower one by 0.1" (3mm) in the rear. Quite different than what the 10mm narrower section widths suggests...

BTW, this does not take away anything from the M2, which turns out to be quite a nifty little thing

.

Great point!

Love the comparison, looks like many fun track days are going to be had

Robin_NL · 03-31-2016, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

Absolutely.

Sarcasm I guess?

Like the M135i in dry circumstances was faster than M135iX overthere.

X drive on tracks can come in handy when you're:
-a not so good kind of (amateur) driver
-wet condititions etc

And that's about all on a track.

There are awd systems which are very fast on tracks, Nissan GTR, 991 Turbo S , but how (much) fast(er) is a less powerful GT3 etc etc.

Cheers
Robin

Adem1534 · 03-31-2016, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by mrduder

I'm confused??? the long straight was the only spot the M4 had a higher speed. so how did it do the lap faster? the M2 did almost the entire rest of the track faster....

Because the M4 had the advantage for a longer amount of time, even if it was beat at every corner.

Robin_NL · 03-31-2016, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Adem1534

Because the M4 had the advantage for a longer amount of time, even if it was beat at every corner.

Yep, the M4 used its power/torque advantage on the straight sections(only measured in that graph at start/finish straight 197kmh M4, 194kmh M2)

So you only see cornering speeds and G force displayed.

S55 in M2 would blast any M BMW to smithereens and oblivion and back

Wonder why //M doesn't do that yet?

Oh marketing you say?

Cheers
Robin

cipri · 03-31-2016, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by nick85

M2 a Leo Messi

M4 a Christiano Ronaldo

m3 ibrahimovici

Robin_NL · 03-31-2016, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by cipri

m3 ibrahimovici

Not in my book

Zlatan turns 35 this year so 1M lol.

And being Barca fan...RIP Johan....

myself, M2...

Cheers
Robin

03-30-2016, 06:33 PM	#24
04S Captain 174 Rep 837 Posts Drives: M4 xDrive, X5 40i and U11 X1 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia iTrader: (0)	Yes that is all correct. But, apart from the steering wheel which is great, the interior does not feel any better than an M235. There is minimal alcantara. And the hard plastics are a real disappointment. The leather on the seats is pretty low rent too. Having said all that it is a great car to drive.
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FogCityM3 Colonel 499 Rep 2,400 Posts Drives: M3 (E90) & Porsche GT3 RS Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: San Francisco iTrader: (0)	As I've mentioned numerous times before, a smaller, more agile car is preferable for faster lap times, despite the roughly equivalent weight. Here we had a Hockenheim expert driving--for the average amateur driver, the results will probably be even better in the M2. Also, if you can enter and exit corners faster, guess what you're faster on the straights too as you carry faster speed from the turn. Anyone can mash a pedal on the straights and think they're killing everyone, but a more agile car will not only be faster on the fun tracks, but also much more rewarding to drive. Having driven a new F82, not even sure you can call the car a luxurious coupe, the road noise is louder than my E9x with coilovers, a bbk and competition tires and the ride is just as jarring, if not even more so if I set the coilovers to soft/street. Don't expect the M2 to be any better in this regard, but you would expect that in a pocket-rocket with no pretenses and know what you're in for. Well done, BMW!
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Appeltje Private First Class 49 Rep 186 Posts Drives: M4 F82 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The Woodlands iTrader: (0)	Those are great numbers for the M2, but as an M4 owner I'm quite disappointed as it should be the other way around.
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Diver Brigadier General 504 Rep 3,446 Posts Drives: Black '12 135i - Sold Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Texas iTrader: (0)	M2 stays glued to the track. Pretty amazing considering how an M4 has a much better power to weight ratio. __________________ See my photography at http://ronscubadiver.wordpress.com
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mrduder Captain 472 Rep 787 Posts Drives: 2015 M4 Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Irvine, CA iTrader: (0)	I'm confused??? the long straight was the only spot the M4 had a higher speed. so how did it do the lap faster? the M2 did almost the entire rest of the track faster....
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