[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by dammitcubs

God, I could listen to this all day. I love love LOVE the exhaust sound with the PSE and it was one of the reasons I was this close to buy a porsche Cayman S.


It's just a fantastic looking, driving, sounding car. Bravo Porsche - that's how you make a sports car.

They definitely did a nice job on the PSE - but like anything, some don't like the sound or wish the motor had more BHP/torque like the BMW turbo motors.

We are lucky enough that even on the supercar/hypercar level, there are multiple companies trying to make the ultimate sports car. I really can't imagine driving a car as quiet as a Tesla, but I would rock a 918 inspired hybrid for sure. We have to enjoy this stuff now. Probably won't be around THAT much longer.

[W///]

Originally Posted by ClothSeats

http://www.porsche.com/usa/modelstart/

Just built a base model Cayman. Came out to 66k including LEDs, 20s, and leather dash/cloth seats (). Not sure if a traditional LSD is standard, if not the variable diff lock is another 3k bundled with PASM.

Built a Cayman S and without going too overboard with the options, I got $81k. There's just no way in hell I could justify that.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by W///

Built a Cayman S and without going too overboard with the options, I got $81k. There's just no way in hell I could justify that.

But you're about to have 3 ///M cars?

Come on now - it's not hard to get to a place where you spend that kind of money on a car.

[W///]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

But you're about to have 3 ///M cars?

Come on now - it's not hard to get to a place where you spend that kind of money on a car.

I've always told my friends I'd rather have an army of cars than I hyper car. Same applies.

Plus my issue is my friend's GT4, which was purchased for a hair under $90k (almost stripped out, but has some nice options). Not that I can afford a $90k toy, but that just puts it in perspective if that makes sense? I also think I'd rather go buy a new Boxster Spyder (stripper again) before I buy a Cayman S personally.

At the end of the day, all these Porsches are way outside of my budget unless I sell either the E36 or E92, and I'm not willing to do that. But it's definitely a bucket list item of mine to own a Porsche one day

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by W///

I've always told my friends I'd rather have an army of cars than I hyper car. Same applies.

Plus my issue is my friend's GT4, which was purchased for a hair under $90k (almost stripped out, but has some nice options). Not that I can afford a $90k toy, but that just puts it in perspective if that makes sense? I also think I'd rather go buy a new Boxster Spyder (stripper again) before I buy a Cayman S personally.

At the end of the day, all these Porsches are way outside of my budget unless I sell either the E36 or E92, and I'm not willing to do that. But it's definitely a bucket list item of mine to own a Porsche one day

I am just giving you a hard time.

I don't have the physical space in my garage to have more than 2 cars and one motorcycle. So my DD also has to be my "fun" or sports car - perhaps this is fate telling me that it's time to get a bigger garage that can house more toys.

Actually on the hunt for an E92 M3 (my pops is interested) - any suggestions on where to look for a good one?

[W///]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I am just giving you a hard time.

I don't have the physical space in my garage to have more than 2 cars and one motorcycle. So my DD also has to be my "fun" or sports car - perhaps this is fate telling me that it's time to get a bigger garage that can house more toys.

Actually on the hunt for an E92 M3 (my pops is interested) - any suggestions on where to look for a good one?

I know haha. I don't have the room either, but I just have them spread out all over the place, and that's not even counting my 4Runner haha. Maybe I've been living down South too long and starting to turn into a redneck

Your dad wouldn't want a supercharged 6MT Limerock would he? Haha. M3post is always a good source of course, but he might still be able to get some late 2013's that are still CPO'ed. That might be the best option for peace of mind if he doesn't want to wrench on cars.

[Aloha Joe]

Originally Posted by RoninX

Would you consider a 718 Cayman instead of an M2?

The OP's original question is quoted above. Because I'm not close to the top of my dealers M2 waiting list, this idea pops into my head all the time.

Some on this forum have said that the M2 is a "Halo" car for BMW, and that customers will walk into a BMW showroom because of it, realize they can't get it for awhile, then buy a M3/4 or M235i instead.

The only BMW I want to get is the M2 and will definitely not be one of those customers who they can switch. If my wait is realistically expected to be till June of 2017, BMW will definitely lose my $$ to Porsche.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Aloha Joe

The OP's original question is quoted above. Because I'm not close to the top of my dealers M2 waiting list, this idea pops into my head all the time.

Some on this forum have said that the M2 is a "Halo" car for BMW, and that customers will walk into a BMW showroom because of it, realize they can't get it for awhile, then buy a M3/4 or M235i instead.

The only BMW I want to get is the M2 and will definitely not be one of those customers who they can switch. If my wait is realistically expected to be till June of 2017, BMW will definitely lose my $$ to Porsche.

Exactly what happened in my case. Just got sick of waiting - the 718 will be objectively better than the M2 from a performance standpoint - it's lapping the Ring in 7:42 in base form - but it's a lot more expensive.

Just depends on whether the value of the M2 is "worth" the wait. For me, it wasn't.

[unreg]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Exactly what happened in my case. Just got sick of waiting - the 718 will be objectively better than the M2 from a performance standpoint - it's lapping the Ring in 7:42 in base form - but it's a lot more expensive.

Just depends on whether the value of the M2 is "worth" the wait. For me, it wasn't.

I also recently got off the M2 train and ordered a 718 cayman, in agate grey... I kinda went overboard on the extras lol

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by unreg

I also recently got off the M2 train and ordered a 718 cayman, in agate grey... I kinda went overboard on the extras lol

Agate gray =

They DO add up quickly, the options in P car land. Congrats ! Delivery in the fall ??

[unreg]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Agate gray =

They DO add up quickly, the options in P car land. Congrats ! Delivery in the fall ??

Thanks ! Late September, but I'm guessing October...
Was really on the fence between Agate grey and graphite blue metallic.
Carrera S 20s, Sport plus seats, full leather interior/dash etc, PDLS lights, PASM suspension, cruise control, PDK, sport chromo, folding mirrors, rain sensors, sport exhaust black tips... and navigation.

I test drove the boxster without sport chromo and sport exhaust. Was very satisfied with it!

[hoyasaxa]

The 718 Cayman configurator is online. (I don't know if this is news but I hadn't seen it yet.)

Base Cayman, with MT, no sport chrono, with less standard equipment than the M2, $63,620 (with destination). I picked Nav, Bose, xenon, and the less expensive premium pack (mirrors, the cheaper sport seats, etc - basically most of what comes standard on the M2, no comfort access).

Obviously the base Cayman is going to be much slower than the M2 on a freeway. What about a track though? It is at a significant HP deficit.

So hard to justify getting a Cayman over the M2 at these prices. The Porsche premium is real.

[W///]

Originally Posted by unreg

Thanks ! Late September, but I'm guessing October...
Was really on the fence between Agate grey and graphite blue metallic.
Carrera S 20s, Sport plus seats, full leather interior/dash etc, PDLS lights, PASM suspension, cruise control, PDK, sport chromo, folding mirrors, rain sensors, sport exhaust black tips... and navigation.

I test drove the boxster without sport chromo and sport exhaust. Was very satisfied with it!

I'm assuming this is well into M3/4 territory in terms of $$ correct? Didn't realize the Boxsters have already hit the showrooms. I'm be very curious to try out the new 4 cylinders.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by hoyasaxa

The 718 Cayman configurator is online. (I don't know if this is news but I hadn't seen it yet.)

Base Cayman, with MT, no sport chrono, with less standard equipment than the M2, $63,620 (with destination). I picked Nav, Bose, xenon, and the less expensive premium pack (mirrors, the cheaper sport seats, etc - basically most of what comes standard on the M2, no comfort access).

Obviously the base Cayman is going to be much slower than the M2 on a freeway. What about a track though? It is at a significant HP deficit.

So hard to justify getting a Cayman over the M2 at these prices. The Porsche premium is real.

I am not so sure it will be obviously slower in a straight line - it has 300 BHP and almost 300 ft/lb of torque. And weighs ~500 pounds less. I would think it would be a nice comparison though.

Not so with the S - which should be noticeably faster, in multiple applications. 0-60 times with PDK and sport chrono are 4.0, so I am guessing it is actually a bit quicker than that in reality.

And you're right - the premium is definitely real. My 981 CS was almost 80K...my 235 was 47 IIRC. So definitely a very big difference there...

[unreg]

Originally Posted by W///

I'm assuming this is well into M3/4 territory in terms of $$ correct? Didn't realize the Boxsters have already hit the showrooms. I'm be very curious to try out the new 4 cylinders.

The config I mentioned is 80K, thats 20k under the absolute stock M4...

(Carrera S 20s, Sport plus seats, full leather interior/dash etc, PDLS lights, PASM suspension, cruise control, PDK, sport chromo, folding mirrors, rain sensors, sport exhaust black tips... and navigation.)

M3 Stock = 95.400euros + 1k transport etc
M4 Stock = 100.300euros + 1k transport etc

Over 20k euro taxes on the manual m4.
On the M2 I know its 12300 + 12900 = 25k in taxes
I think (can't be 100% as I don't have the papers with me) its half for the 2L Cayman.
Special Taxes for Vehicles (ISV) is a bitch. a Mustang GT price is probably half taxes.

[hoyasaxa]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I am not so sure it will be obviously slower in a straight line - it has 300 BHP and almost 300 ft/lb of torque. And weighs ~500 pounds less. I would think it would be a nice comparison though.

That's a fair point.

And you're right - the premium is definitely real.

Can you help me with this options list? Trying to compare apples-to-apples is a real bitch...

For example:

• Porsche Torque Vectoring
  

  Includes:
  Variable torque distribution through controlled braking on the rear wheels
  Mechanically controlled differential lock with asymmetrical locking action (22% in traction, 27% in overrun) for increased agility, steering precision, traction, and vehicle stability

  • Does that mean that if I want an LSD, like the M2 has, I must equip this option? And let's say that I choose not to tick the box, saving $1,320, would I regret this forever? It seems like every Scooby and all the new VW GTIs/Rs have torque vectoring standard.

• Sport Chrono
  • This includes the stopwatch, the driving modes, and launch control (on a PDK car), correct? What's the consequence of not equipping this? Would it be like driving a BMW around in comfort mode? Or would the standard mode be equivalent to sport? This is a $1,920-dollar tickbox, so would be a great one to skip, especially on a manual car.

• Smoking Package
  • If I want to have a 12V charger, do I need to tick this box? I'm not a smoker, though, so don't really want the ashtray inserted there... but if you need it for the 12V?

If I can skip the above packages, without building myself a car that I couldn't live with, this is what I end up paying ($63.5k). Even so, instead of getting a 5% discount, I'm going to put $12k+ on deposit with my local Porsche dealer for 30-days while I take ED.

I love the way the Caymans look, and always have respected the car. The M2, though, seems like eight tenths for a significant amount less.

I'd really appreciate your thoughts. I couldn't justify going to the Cayman S, and I honestly am not about to spend too much more in options. So if this looks poverty spec, I'd like to know. It's impossible to tell at the dealerships because everything is optioned to the gills, always, and it's hard to figure out what you're missing on a package-by-package basis.

[unreg]

Sport Chrono brings the Sport + mode, the car I test drove didn't have Sport Chrono so I couldn't test it. There is a quite noticeable difference between normal mode and Sport, sound is way different even
The car without Sport Chromo still has the sport button on the central console, doesn't have the wheel thingy on the steering wheel and Sport +.

Regarding the PTV from what I understand, yes you need to get the PTV for the LSD.

The 12V charger is on the passenger side, weirdly placed if I recall. You have to hug the central console to reach it, I think that one comes standard. I might be able to check that this week.

Also Night Blue nice colour! I'm going with the Agate Grey, black interior but no heating on seats or wheel.
I loooove the GT wheel without anything in it
Thats not a poverty spec afaik! It looks good, don't forget cruise control is an extra, if you value that stuff!


Edit: Found this on a youtube review

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[hoyasaxa]

Originally Posted by unreg

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Also Night Blue nice colour! I'm going with the Agate Grey, black interior but no heating on seats or wheel.
I loooove the GT wheel without anything in it
Thats not a poverty spec afaik! It looks good, don't forget cruise control is an extra, if you value that stuff!


Edit: Found this on a youtube review

View post on imgur.com

Very thoughtful. Thank you.
Started obsessing for reviews this afternoon.
This one was kind of a bummer, mostly because it's the only one I've seen so far for the base car and it is somewhat lukewarm.

I don't know. I may stick with the M2 but it's definitely something to consider.

[Aloha Joe]

Originally Posted by unreg

Thanks ! Late September, but I'm guessing October...
Was really on the fence between Agate grey and graphite blue metallic.
Carrera S 20s, Sport plus seats, full leather interior/dash etc, PDLS lights, PASM suspension, cruise control, PDK, sport chromo, folding mirrors, rain sensors, sport exhaust black tips... and navigation.

I test drove the boxster without sport chromo and sport exhaust. Was very satisfied with it!

Wow, Very nice!

[unreg]

Originally Posted by hoyasaxa

Very thoughtful. Thank you.
Started obsessing for reviews this afternoon.
This one was kind of a bummer, mostly because it's the only one I've seen so far for the base car and it is somewhat lukewarm.

I don't know. I may stick with the M2 but it's definitely something to consider.

I do understand what you mean, what convinced me was seeing the boxster and driving it. Maybe if I had the opportunity to drive the M2 it would have made my decision harder, but the interior of the Porsche seemed, to me, to be much much better. Its all well designed, simple and well put together, the bmws, at the moment, have lines going all over the place and a monitor sticking out the middle (not as bad as Merc!). While this might not mean much to a true petrolhead, it does so me.

On the Porsche, the PCM touchscreen, the wheel, all made me feel good. The BMW wheel thingy for the iDrive never felt great, the ride height if its similar to the 2series or my 1series is nothing compared to being sat on the ground as the boxster/cayman.
The sound is not as good as the M2? most likely true. M2 beats the non-S 0-100? Yeah. Does it straight up beat it on a track? Probably! but I like to think it won't be for that much hehe.
I know I won't mess with an M2, but truth be told, the chances of me ever seeing one on the road are slim to none.

Yeah. I'm trading some numbers for more interior feel. Guess the architect mind beat the petrolhead in me.

Originally Posted by Aloha Joe

Wow, Very nice!

Thank you.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by hoyasaxa

That's a fair point.


Can you help me with this options list? Trying to compare apples-to-apples is a real bitch...

For example:

• Porsche Torque Vectoring
  • Does that mean that if I want an LSD, like the M2 has, I must equip this option? And let's say that I choose not to tick the box, saving $1,320, would I regret this forever? It seems like every Scooby and all the new VW GTIs/Rs have torque vectoring standard.

• Sport Chrono
  • This includes the stopwatch, the driving modes, and launch control (on a PDK car), correct? What's the consequence of not equipping this? Would it be like driving a BMW around in comfort mode? Or would the standard mode be equivalent to sport? This is a $1,920-dollar tickbox, so would be a great one to skip, especially on a manual car.

• Smoking Package
  • If I want to have a 12V charger, do I need to tick this box? I'm not a smoker, though, so don't really want the ashtray inserted there... but if you need it for the 12V?

If I can skip the above packages, without building myself a car that I couldn't live with, this is what I end up paying ($63.5k). Even so, instead of getting a 5% discount, I'm going to put $12k+ on deposit with my local Porsche dealer for 30-days while I take ED.

I love the way the Caymans look, and always have respected the car. The M2, though, seems like eight tenths for a significant amount less.

I'd really appreciate your thoughts. I couldn't justify going to the Cayman S, and I honestly am not about to spend too much more in options. So if this looks poverty spec, I'd like to know. It's impossible to tell at the dealerships because everything is optioned to the gills, always, and it's hard to figure out what you're missing on a package-by-package basis.

Yes, the options are a bitch. I also bought a lot car, which I would not do the next time - not because anything is "wrong" with my car, but if you're spending 80K, you want to make sure that you get the options you really want.

PTV - this is one that I do not have and am not sure how much use it would be on the street. The stock suspension (not X73 (fixed) or PASM (adjustable) is what I have and it is very good. The PTV option includes the mechanical diff, so it just depends on how much you're going to track the car.

Sport Chrono - yes, you get the watch but I am not sure even how to use it or if it would even be useful. The best part of this option is the addition of "Sport Plus" - which is the most aggressive throttle mapping and exhaust note (especially with PSE). With the PDK (which I have), the shifts are really fast and brutal in this mode. Additionally, it will let you hold the rev ALL the way to the red line. In any gear - which is very nice when you want it. I consider this a must have, but there are some aftermarket coding options as well. No experience with those, but you can search for it on Planet 9.

Smoking package - I don't have this and I have a 12V connection inside the armrest - which is pretty small by the way. You can get some little stuff in there, but the doors and slots behind each seat have much better storage. IIRC, the smoking package gets you an additional 12V connection that's right below the gear shift, but you might want to check that for sure.

I know you didn't ask me about these, but I will throw in my $.02

X73 - fixed sports suspension - lowers the car permanently by 20 MM and is supposed to be ~25% stiffer than stock. Looks killer and is supposedly a nice addition for the track

PASM - adjustable sports suspension - comfort has softer feel and sport is supposed to be slightly less stiff than X73. Great to have a choice depending on your mood - but I could never tell the difference in dampening on my 235, so I would try it out and see what you think. YMMV.

20' Carerra wheels - totally worth it. The car was made to sit on 20s.

Bose system/Navi - this is one that my car has that I don't really care for. the speakers aren't great, but the stock 981 system is supposed to be pure shit, so it depends on how much music matters to you. I only listen to the radio when my girl is in the car with me. The Navi system is not easy to use - it is finicky to enter destinations and do it quickly...but with that being said, once they're in there, the system does a really nice job of directing you where to go. The right instrument dial turns into a little map when you get close to a turn and gives you a big arrow to follow. So it has pluses and minuses.

PSE - I had this retrofitted and it is one of my favorite parts of the car now. I have heard this is a must have on the F4s, but who knows...it's awesome on the F6 though.

hope that helps.

[mitoda]

Here's is a video, can't understand German unfortunately.