[Romo]

Sutcliffe review, not being that enthusiastic .........

[dmboone25]

Visually, the new car has some touches that I like better than my 981 - the headlights and DRLs for example. I also like the idea of a more sorted suspension and faster steering.

But he's right...when you put your foot into the 981 and the PSE is screaming in your ears...it's hard to beat.

[JustChris]

Most reviews I've read state the same. The move to forced induction has lost the soul of the car

Damn you drowning polar bears

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Most reviews I've read state the same. The move to forced induction has lost the soul of the car

Damn you drowning polar bears

We were having the same discussion over on Planet 9 too - I really believe this is another way that Porsche is actively distinguishing the 911...every time the Boxster/Cayman platform gets too close, they find a way to neuter it.

Case in point - you want a F6 in a Porsche? You now must buy a 911 if you want to buy something new. It's the same reason the GT4 has ridiculously long gearing and no PDK...it would be getting too close to the equivalent 911 GT cars if those things were equal.

This switch (in my opinion anyway) was enacted under the guise of reduced emissions and better gas mileage, but marketing must have played a large role as well. Porsche doesn't even sell that many Boxster/Caymans...how much of a dent could this change really make in their overall MPG and CO2 numbers? I can't see it having a huge effect...but I might be wrong.

[hoyasaxa]

I found a couple M2 vs 718 articles. Interestingly they're different websites, very similar pictures, and seem to be drawn from the same road test. Even the writing is mostly the same between the two articles. If anything, though, the US-market version seems dumbed down. Does anyone know the relationship between Car & Automobile?

http://www.automobilemag.com/news/th...718-boxster-s/

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-rev...-car-may-2016/

[scoale]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

We were having the same discussion over on Planet 9 too - I really believe this is another way that Porsche is actively distinguishing the 911...every time the Boxster/Cayman platform gets too close, they find a way to neuter it.

Case in point - you want a F6 in a Porsche? You now must buy a 911 if you want to buy something new. It's the same reason the GT4 has ridiculously long gearing and no PDK...it would be getting too close to the equivalent 911 GT cars if those things were equal.

This switch (in my opinion anyway) was enacted under the guise of reduced emissions and better gas mileage, but marketing must have played a large role as well. Porsche doesn't even sell that many Boxster/Caymans...how much of a dent could this change really make in their overall MPG and CO2 numbers? I can't see it having a huge effect...but I might be wrong.

Agree this is more about marketing than emissions. BTW, the difference in mpg between the M2 DCT and Cayman S PDK is only 2mpg (August issue of "Automobile")! Put a turbo 6 in the Cayman and an M2 versus Cayman S performance discussion is moot.

I think BMW has hit an upper deck shot with the M2 at MSRP....for those that can actually put there hands on one.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by scoale

Agree this is more about marketing than emissions. BTW, the difference in mpg between the M2 DCT and Cayman S PDK is only 2mpg (August issue of "Automobile")! Put a turbo 6 in the Cayman and an M2 versus Cayman S performance discussion is moot.

I think BMW has hit an upper deck shot with the M2 at MSRP....for those that can actually put there hands on one.

And you've hit another nail on the head - one of the 718's designers said that they couldn't make a smaller displacement F6 work with a turbo in the Boxster/Cayman body. Which would have preserved the sound and still kept it below the 911...which we all know is bullshit, since there are multiple turbo kits out there right now for the 2.7 and 3.4L F6 engines that come in the 981 cars.

So it wasn't about space...it wasn't about MPG really...there is less CO2 from the 718...but the main driver was to create distance between the 718 and 911...only 911s come with a F6 new and you're going to pay handsomely to get one.

[hoyasaxa]

Did very many people in the market for a $100k+ car forego the 911 in favor of a Cayman? I sort of doubt that.

[Karmic Man]

To be honest this car is an easy sell for Porsche because it has got good numbers on paper and it looks pretty.

How many Cayman buyers really look for the full hair raising experience the flat 6 provides on full song?

Average Joe's most concerns are about 0-60, MPG, Torque/Power figures and the average Jane cares about the look and the badge only.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by hoyasaxa

Did very many people in the market for a $100k+ car forego the 911 in favor of a Cayman? I sort of doubt that.

Good point - probably not...but at least you had a choice between mid and rear engine layout with the company's signature engine.

Now you don't...not saying the new car isn't good - it seems as though it is significantly better in many ways and I can't wait to drive one.

[stylinexpat]

I think the Nurburgring numbers speak for themselves. The new Porsche numbers around the Nurburgring are very good. There is quite a difference between the M2 and new 718 S model.

7:42 for the Porsche is no joke. See what the M2 times are.

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/porsc...t-ride-review/

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by stylinexpat

I think the Nurburgring numbers speak for themselves. The new Porsche numbers around the Nurburgring are very good. There is quite a difference between the M2 and new 718 S model.

7:42 for the Porsche is no joke. See what the M2 times are.

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/porsc...t-ride-review/

Absolutely - isn't the M2 around 7:58? There's a big difference...the 981 CS was around 7:55 IIRC.

I think the 718S is only a few seconds off the GT4 time.

[stylinexpat]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Absolutely - isn't the M2 around 7:58? There's a big difference...the 981 CS was around 7:55 IIRC.

I think the 718S is only a few seconds off the GT4 time.

Yeah, right around that time. I would have thought it could post better times then last year's Honda Civic Type R which posted a Nurburgring lap time of around 7:50

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...-world-record/

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by stylinexpat

Yeah, right around that time. I would have thought it could post better times then last year's Honda Civic Type R which posted a Nurburgring lap time of around 7:50

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...-world-record/

That Record Type R you cannot buy @ your dealership. It's specially prepared and barely streetlegal so to say, to do that NS laptime...vs the Boxster(S) and M2 which are 'available' @ your dealership. With those two it's what you see is what you get.
7:52 has been done by M2 as well, but BMW doesn't want to advertise that too much(M3/4 canibalism etc)

In the end it's all marketing

Cheers
Robin

[Romo]

See below

[Romo]

If you have some spare time left;

Look at that interior.

[RoninX]

Originally Posted by Romo

Sutcliffe review, not being that enthusiastic .........

That's an interesting review, since it says the 718 Cayman is better than the previous 981 in every way except the engine, but that's a dealbreaker.

I like that he tried to quantify the turbo lag (around 0.75 seconds between hitting the throttle and the car accelerating). Personally, I don't care that much about the engine sound, but I would find that much turbo lag unacceptable.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by Romo

If you have some spare time left;

Look at that interior.

Robert as I already stated @DF, the review is great, but this guy must work for Porsche AG. Marketing at its finest. I want one, but with a 6 pot engine please. I want a GT4 that's all.

Cheers
Robin

[koastal]

I love most porsches, but this one sounds like a subaru. I also like the sound of subaru,s just not when its a porsche making the same noise. Confused yes me too

Golfers cant own porsche sports cars