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Probably won't be for long. The car magazine print business has been on a decline just like all other print media, so at the end of the day there will only be so many of them left and smart one like C&D and MT have used other media to make up for the difference like Youtube content. Then you have R&T, if you go check out their Youtube channel, the content is lacking. R/T sort of reminds me of motorcycle site that used to be good like Rideapart (Hellforleather) that is now in the toilet....
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06-10-2016, 12:51 AM | #68 | |
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06-10-2016, 01:26 AM | #69 | |
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Edit:talking about faster(track) driving. I have the need for bucketseats The M2 is so fast/grippy(G Force) around longer bends(neutral) I'm almost flipping out of my seat(I have the electric bolster), vs the 1M. Are those seats very different? Don't get it... Cheers Robin |
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06-10-2016, 02:16 AM | #70 | |
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1) Put the seat down as far as possible and as far back as possible. 2) Get in car 3) move seat in till my knees are bent enough to be able to push me back into the seat hard if I flex my legs and my wrists can touch the top of the steering wheel with my elbows bent a little. 4) Adjust seat back to something like absolutely vertical 5) Headrest 6) Bolsters |
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06-10-2016, 02:19 AM | #72 | |
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Valid points, I have to sit lower etc. just like I did in my 1M. I did not pay attention to my seating position the last week, my bad. I'm going to adjust the seat tonight. Cheers Robin |
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06-10-2016, 02:26 AM | #73 | |
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And the P Zeros (same spec as oem) I put on were way more progressive and friendly near/on the limit. Anyway, the 1M is a great car, imho 10 times better than ANY 228...come on guys please... And yep I'm doing track and driftdays. This you cannot do with a stock 228i It's like this: The 228i being chosen as the winner= More airtime, more publicity. Marketing. But irl...not a bloody chance. Cheers Robin |
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06-10-2016, 05:19 AM | #74 |
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Yeah, those PS2's were diabolical when pushed hard. Due to the 1m unicorn status it will always be loved by some, sought by many, hated by most. The funny thing about this article is that some of the jabs they were taking at the car are things that endear it to me. I think cartoonish, nervous, and difficult sounds like a recipe for fun. Others will use it as a sounding board validate their dislike of the car. I however, love bad cars (The cilo v6 is still my favorite road car I ever driven).
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06-10-2016, 06:22 AM | #75 | |
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I came from 335i to S2000 and now back to M235i. Power is addictive and I use all of that N55 every day. 228i is obviously not even close to S2000 in feel, weight, and handling. |
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I was definitely hoping the M2 would be a light car with a 4 cylinder motor. Instead they continued with " heavier but faster .." |
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06-10-2016, 06:56 AM | #78 |
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M2 with a 4 pot engine and >360BHP(like Merc 45 AMG) and >100kgs less would be fine with me, but the higly strung engine plus no more headroom for a power tune makes me rethink...
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06-10-2016, 08:17 AM | #79 |
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Just finished the article. Congratulations to the 228i for winning this shootout, taking down the mighty m235i and even mighter M2.
My first impression while reading the article was the author was not a very capable driver and basically strong armed his counterpart to vote his way. My last impression with the comment "The mountain does not lie" was "The performance numbers don't lie" The important thing is everybody is satisfied with what they got and BMW made several superb trims for us to choose from. I look forward to test driving the 230i, M240i and getting a M2GC.
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I'm sorry to hear of the M235i owners that feel butt hurt. :: cue tiny finger violin :: ...
... but I gotta say (and others have already noted) that the article says very little that isn't already well known to those who actually read, have driven both the 228 and 235 (or: some who've driven the M2 as well), and actually listen to and consider what others say are the advantages of one 2 Series model over others. What I find the most interesting are the objective test numbers concerning handling and braking. The 228i's brakes -- non M Sport brakes -- actually perform better than the M Sport brakes on the 235 likely because of the weight difference and nose-heavy nature of the latter car. Also, the 235 only bests the 228i on the skidpad by .01G -- and that's a 228i with run-flats! Put proper non-RFT shoes on the 228i, and I bet it at least matches the 235. Why? Again: the nose-heavy nature of the 235. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: a lighter, more well balanced car with less power is going to perform better in 'the real world' and be more fun and satisfying to drive than a heavier and less well balanced car with more power. This is precisely why I chose a 228i M Sport over the M235i. Guess where this realization comes from? Two places: my experience with high-performance sport motorcycles both on the street and on the track, and my experience with small cars over my lifetime. I've never owned the top-of-the-line model of any car --even when I've been able to afford that top model -- for this very reason.
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06-10-2016, 12:33 PM | #83 |
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I agree with this. Maybe it is living in PA and simply not being near many roads where I can clearly see what is around the corner. Between bicyclist, other cars, and amish buggies I don't often get close to the cornering limits, but get to use the straight line power a decent amount.
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That's pretty damn hilarious
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06-10-2016, 10:02 PM | #87 | |
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The M235 has a staggering 1.7% greater mass on the front end than a 228i and massive .8% greater front end mass compared to the M2 and some people act the M235 behaves like a FWD car Only R&T has been rather negative regarding the M235 and for the most part it's been one specific writer at R&T. All other mags have been in love with the M235. Automobile magazine wrote an absolutely gushing review of their longterm M235. The 228i is an awesome car doubt, but rather slow, IMO. 9+mph difference in 1/4 mile trapspeed is massive. |
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