[RugbyBro]

M40i's are now M cars so I say just enjoy what y'all drive

[F87source]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

M40i's are now M cars so I say just enjoy what y'all drive

I thought they fell into the class of M performance vehicles.

So there are M sport (mainly aesthetics and some light tuning and minor suspension upgrades), M performance (alot more tuning, and alot more suspension upgrades), and full fledge M's (major engine overhaul, all new forged aluminium suspension, all new drive train, all new tubular subframe made of stainless steel and tubular steel).

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by F87source

I thought they fell into the class of M performance vehicles.

So there are M sport (mainly aesthetics and some light tuning and minor suspension upgrades), M performance (alot more tuning, and alot more suspension upgrades), and full fledge M's (major engine overhaul, all new forged aluminium suspension, all new drive train, all new tubular subframe made of stainless steel and tubular steel).

is an X3M more of an M car than a M340i ? it has the M engine.

i think the point is that BMW has whored out the M badge so much it doesn't really mean much anymore. just buy the car you like.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

is an X3M more of an M car than a M340i ? it has the M engine.

i think the point is that BMW has whored out the M badge so much it doesn't really mean much anymore. just buy the car you like.

1) Here is the BMW definition of what is an M model car: https://www.bmw-m.com/en/topics/all-models.html

As you can see, an M car is named M# or X#M, where # is the series of M car. There is only 1 numerical digit, and one letter which is M, anything else that carries the M is an M performance car. Anything other car without an M in the name but has some sort of reference to M is an M sport car. That is how you can tell what is an M and what is an M performance car. It really isn't that hard and Im shocked there is still debate on this.


So no bmw hasn't "whored" out the M badge. They simply offered more M division parts to standard vehicles, they have also been clear with what is an M and what isn't, people just don't bother to check. AMG does the same thing, and nissan is brining more nismo parts to the standard line up too. Manufacturers are just trying to bring more motorsports bits to the entire line up, that is all, the clear concept of what their flag ship models are is still clear.



2) Obviously the x3m is more of an M car than the m340i, M doesn't extend just to sedans and coupes. It has more to do with the motorsports level upgrades given to the car, not the badging. I find it hard to believe this is still in discussion.
The x3m M has the M power plant with the excellent tri pick up design allowign for 1.3 lateral G of acceleration sustained, M differential, M brakes, M chassis upgrades (bracing), M front and rear subframe (stainless steel and tubular steel), M suspension.


3) The m340i has a standard B series engine, it isn't even overhauled with M components like the n55 m2 was. The rear diff is a standard bmw diff in the G20 cars, the rear subframe again is standard, same goes with the front subframe, brakes are just M performance and not the full sized M vented rotors and doesn't have the aluminium hats, the engine oiling system was not overhauled and doesn't have the triple pick up tube design of the s58 making this not track capable despite what people may believe (the m2 has the full s55 oiling system), and the differences keep coming. Like I said before the m340i is an m performance vehicle at most, it is not track capable - and being track capable is the sole purpose of M. You can absolutely track it, but it will suffer from major oil starvation because of the long shallow sump design that has zero baffles or extra pick ups.


4) If you contrast the 2, the x3m is more track capable than the m340i because it will never suffer from oil starvation, and that is the biggest problem with inline 6 bmw engines to date.









But I agree, buy what you want and don't care what others say. Unless you track alot, then an M is probably what you need. Otherwise it won't matter at all.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by KevinC

Exactly! Of course the OG M2 is an M car. The 1M was an M car too, and had many of the same detractors complaining about it at release, for many of the same reasons. Oh but it has only turned out to be one of THE most coveted M cars of all time. If you own an OG and get butt-hurt every time somebody complains about it, just ignore the noise. Who cares?

OK with that rant out of the way.. here's something I never hear mentioned, and will only give the detractors one more thing to point to. Spot the difference here...

OG:



M2 Comp, CS:

They left the weight the same between the two

Interesting find

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

They left the weight the same between the two

Interesting find

That's just the gross vehicle weight rating i.e. the max weight the car can be accounting for it's wet curb weight + passengers + cargo. It's not the same as curb weight.

It makes sense the GVWR is the same because it shares the same chassis as the og.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by F87source

That's just the gross vehicle weight rating i.e. the max weight the car can be accounting for it's wet curb weight + passengers + cargo. It's not the same as curb weight.

It makes sense the GVWR is the same because it shares the same chassis as the og.

I was drinking at the time, now I see that

Did you figure out what KevinC is talking about?

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

I was drinking at the time, now I see that

Did you figure out what KevinC is talking about?

He's just talking about all the nonsense drama that used to be around from the earilier years about how the OG doesn't have a made by M GMBH door sill sticker. It's not the sticker that matters, it is the VIN and if it says WBS.


FWIW here is a Canadian OG m2 with the M GMBH door sill sticker:

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by F87source

He's just talking about all the nonsense drama that used to be around from the earilier years about how the OG doesn't have a made by M GMBH door sill sticker. It's not the sticker that matters, it is the VIN and if it says WBS.


FWIW here is a Canadian OG m2 with the M GMBH door sill sticker:
[IMG]https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/at...8;d=1550382645[/IMG]

I never noticed that

I am always staring at her hips

[D22M2]

Had an f80 M3 - didn’t love it, sold it to get an OG M2…it’s a keeper

[maddoc]

Originally Posted by DanG

I am really getting tired of hearing from the M2C crowd that my M2 is not a real M car. Some even call it an “M2-Lite”.

Let us be real. The M2 always was a real M car and considered by many as the best M car available from 2016-2018. It even made Car and Drivers top 10.

Let’s stop this OG M2 bashing.

OG M2 will be like the 1M - a true driver's car - having owned both.

M2C introduced too many nannies and systems. Sure the S55 is cool, but that's about it.

I'll play the card "Without the OG M2, there would be no M2C or M2CS."

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by maddoc

OG M2 will be like the 1M - a true driver's car - having owned both.

M2C introduced too many nannies and systems. Sure the S55 is cool, but that's about it.

I'll play the card "Without the OG M2, there would be no M2C or M2CS."

The Original Gangster M2… A true legend in it's own right

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by maddoc

OG M2 will be like the 1M - a true driver's car - having owned both.

M2C introduced too many nannies and systems. Sure the S55 is cool, but that's about it.

I'll play the card "Without the OG M2, there would be no M2C or M2CS."

depends on rarity. the 1M is very rare at 6300 worldwide

e90 m3 - 10k
e92 m3 - 40k
f80 m3 - 34.6k
f82 m4 - unknown, but probably around 90-100k extrapolating from e9x data
OG M2 - 29k
M2c - ???

[sdhotwn]

As a former E36 M3 owner... these kinda debates are more than a few decades old .

[DanG]

Originally Posted by sdhotwn

As a former E36 M3 owner... these kinda debates are more than a few decades old .

The problem is that this shouldn't be a debate.

[sdhotwn]

Originally Posted by DanG

The problem is that this shouldn't be a debate.

Correct. But also hasn't gone away in nearly thirty years even when time and the market pretty well settled that one eventually (the E36 never was as desirable as it predecessor or successor, but it's form held up over time and certainly it's value relative to non M variants have begun a healthy separation.)

My point being that one didn't really die over thirty years, don't waste your energy on this one either the OG M2 has good and very similar company.

[Skim Diesel]

OG is definitely an M. Anyone who says otherwise is just a Troll.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by maddoc

OG M2 will be like the 1M - a true driver's car - having owned both.

M2C introduced too many nannies and systems. Sure the S55 is cool, but that's about it.

I'll play the card "Without the OG M2, there would be no M2C or M2CS."

Nannies and systems? This is as dumb as the people saying the OG isn't an M car. There are no extra nannies or systems in an M2C unless you count front parking sensors as a detriment.

[Shahar87]

For all the special folks with M2C that are saying the OG isn't a real M car.

Hope you enjoy many years for S55 rasp sound.
And remember, no exhaust set up can fix that.
😂


All jokes aside. All M2's are awesome!

[F87source]

Originally Posted by Shahar87

For all the special folks with M2C that are saying the OG isn't a real M car.

Hope you enjoy many years for S55 rasp sound.
And remember, no exhaust set up can fix that.
��


All jokes aside. All M2's are awesome!

I believe the equal length mid pipe kits for the S55 "fixes" this issue to a pretty good extent.

Imo the m2c is far superior to the og m2 in terms of engine and cooling performance.

However the down side is the weight penalty which is hard to shed, and the fact that most of the weight is on the front axle making it even harder to shed in a balanced way. For instance there are more weight saving things to do at the rear of the car vs. the front like rear seat deletes, light weight batteries etc - these again remove weight from the back of the car, and this shifts weight distribution forward which is never a good thing on an already front heavy car.

So if the og m2 can get its cooling issues sorted (the n55 can make up to 600 whp pretty reliably and I don't think this chassis can handle more than this much power on track - the wheel base and track is just too small), I think it will be a way better track car because the chassis is the same, and it is much lighter. If you are looking for a drag car then the s55 m2c is way better.

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by DanG

I am really getting tired of hearing from the M2C crowd that my M2 is not a real M car. Some even call it an “M2-Lite”.

Let us be real. The M2 always was a real M car and considered by many as the best M car available from 2016-2018. It even made Car and Drivers top 10.

Let’s stop this OG M2 bashing.

Same for my daughter's M340i! Some foolishly call it an M-lite. It is not light at all!

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

The OG is an M car. The OG N55 engine is beefed up a bit compared to the standard N55 and the suspension is definitely M.

so....you are saying...?
"a bit compared" -- it IS the N55, not compared to it...