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I'm not buying that "I won't buy a BMW if they don't offer Manual" BS. You did not buy a BMW for just the transmission!
You'll be drooling over the 2020 M-whatever with SELF drive and CVT transmission either way. Mike
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My M2 has manual shift and I expect it will be my last car. I've had my TR6 for 30 years. I expect I can keep my M2 on the road for 20 or so.
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So really they tailored the manual for the "enthusiast" and set up the automatic for the "average driver". For a car oriented toward more of a mass market it made some sense. Doing that with a BMW obviously wouldn't make sense since there is a legitimate enthusiast market for the DCT. |
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Without wishing to stir things up, and as someone old enough to have learnt to row my own I don't see what the fuss is all about.
We're not talking about removing the decition when to change gear. These DCT boxes are excellent automatic clutches when driven in flappy paddle mode. I own a manual M2 and have driven the tits off a DCT M2 of a friend after my purchase. I can safely say I would happily buy an M2 CS or M2 GTS if they where DCT only. |
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Manual until I can afford to add a Tesla P100D with Ludicrous Package
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I think this is a lot of it. With the DCT and automatics, they have more control over what the driver can and cannot do. The more control they have, the better they can manage their warranty costs.
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Take note on auto forums about how many people get auto/DCTs because it is faster and more advanced and then regret it and want the manual. Very rarely do you read the same about manual owners wanting to switch to an auto/DCT unless they have some injury and/or health issue. |
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The other option is Porsche, but I would need another car for practicality. |
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If you're about chasing numbers or race competively, the DCT is the only way to go. Otherwise, you're missing out, IMO. |
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I recently filled out a BMW survey where most of the questions were about the automatic start/stop feature and manual transmissions. Disturbingly they asked if I would pay more for a manual, would I still buy a BMW M product if no manual were offered, and was I aware BMW was the only German brand to still offer a manual.
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Not sure who this quote was directed at, but my choice came down only to BMW or Porsche due to trans. But I'll agree with your point, if no car manufacturer ever made a manual trans.
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Honestly I think sometimes they talk about the MT because it gives them good car cred and they want BMW to keep making the MT, which I can understand trying to influence BMW to keep making the MT, but I don't think most of these reviewers even spend much time with the DCT at all. Maybe I wouldn't either if all did was get to drive hot new cars that weren't mine that I didn't have to live with 3 times a week, but they don't appear very objective to me. |
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I have driven a number of these semi-autos extensively from Golf GTi to BMW M4 to AMG C63 to Porsche Cayman to Ferrari F430 and none of them provide the same driving involvement and satisfaction as a good old 6MT. I drove the F430 on the track as well and I feel that I would enjoy the experience much more with a 6MT. The alleged faster lap time with an auto means little to me as I drive to have fun. There will always be people faster than me... even in their less powerful 6MT car.
Simply as a consumer I have the power to purchase whatever I feel like within my budget. If BMW no longer cares about what I want I will take my money somewhere else. That will most likely be a 2nd hand GT car from Porsche...I am keeping my 1M (forever ) so I have at least one enthusiast car under my wing. Of course should BMW release the M2 GTS with a 6MT (God bless them) then that would also be the car to keep forever. |
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