[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by AndyinHou

Robin_NL , I think you've taken yours around the Ring... what time did you get?

Not yet, and those are BTG Tourist laptimes with traffic etc.
I thought of heading there tomorrow but it's still 3.5 hours driving for me...

But Franzino did.
And there might be a couple of EU delivery, German/Benelux/UK etc guys who already did?

Cheers
Robin

[bernstem]

Originally Posted by DoggieHowser

Except the civic is faster on the ring

3000 lbs for the Civic. That is a light car (for a new car), especially compared to the M2 at 3400 lbs. A Cayman is just under 3000 lbs.

[DoggieHowser]

There are many ways the numbers on the ring can be fudged. Tires. The wherewithal of a company who can book the entire day and close up the track from the public. Driver with balls of steel.

I guess I should have been clear why I posted what I posted

I was merely pointing out that the screenshot being provided showed the Civic was faster on the ring - despite being slower pretty much everywhere else.

I don't doubt the M2 is a fun car - but to criticize the performance numbers shows a lack of understanding of what makes the car so irresistible.

[ekbusdriver]

Originally Posted by LagunaSecaBlue

These posts kill me...If the OP could do sub 10 on the ring with a GTR i'll eat my hat.

A Golf R is...still a Golf. My wife drives a Golf.

and an M2 is still a 2 Series. This can be applied to just about any specialized models. RS3 = A3 C63s = C-class etc.

and a Toyota gt86 will run a 9:09 on the 'ring. Anybody that can't break 10 on the 'ring in a GTR should not even be allowed to drive.

[ianp622]

Anybody with any knowledge of statistics and data collection will know to take Nordschleife numbers with a huge chunk of salt. If you're saying that you can compare two numbers from two different drivers, what you're saying is that driver skill doesn't actually matter and environmental conditions don't either.

[SeanWRT]

There're too many manual m2s out there doing track and drag times which should be significantly slower than its DCT counterpart and is very much effected by driver skill.

[Dav3]

I've never understood one thing about the people looking at "Track Times"

The cars best lap has been achieved by a 'Professional' driver that is probably 'most proficient' in the type of vehicle or brand. Chances are 99.5% of owners won't even get close in matching the track lap time, so why bother giving it significance?

The data surrounding track times is just basic "My dick is bigger than yours" marketing bs.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by B_Rice

I doubt anyone on this forum can even get below a 9 minute run in a m2, so why bother bench racing?

But would the people on this forum average a better time in the m2 over the golf R? If so then perhaps that's why it seems relevant.

[B_Rice]

Originally Posted by akkando

But would the people on this forum average a better time in the m2 over the golf R? If so then perhaps that's why it seems relevant.

I would assume the golf R just because awd is inherently easier to drive at the limit.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by B_Rice

I would assume the golf R just because awd is inherently easier to drive at the limit.

So we have: More understeer vs M2.

M2 is way better balanced than Golf R and gives more than a lot of confidence. It doesn't bite you if you're a more experienced rwd driver I must say.

But for a novice driver, Golf R would be alright off course. I think that's what you mean?

Cheers
Robin

[hoyasaxa]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

So we have: More understeer vs M2.

M2 is way better balanced than Golf R and gives more than a lot of confidence. It doesn't bite you if you're a more experienced rwd driver I must say.

But for a novice driver, Golf R would be alright off course. I think that's what you mean?

Cheers
Robin

Yeah I assume the Golf R plows just like the TT

[Nine Lives]

Originally Posted by ekbusdriver

and an M2 is still a 2 Series. This can be applied to just about any specialized models. RS3 = A3 C63s = C-class etc.

and a Toyota gt86 will run a 9:09 on the 'ring. Anybody that can't break 10 on the 'ring in a GTR should not even be allowed to drive.

lol,

10:08 mins in a van

[willox]

Want a more focused ring tool,then take your M2 to some of the tuners,Lightweight,Laptime performance etc and they will build you a quicker M2.some good videos on YouTube Nurburgring Btg.
The M2 wasn't focused on lap times like some other specials we are seeing with the hot hatch market,but could be wrong??
Want a quick 0-60 or ring tool,Nissan Gtr is a good all rounder,but I find them boring after a while,hence getting M2.
Taking my M2 to the ring later this summer,really looking forward to it,had my old 1M over a few years ago and only done 2 laps,one dry,one on a soaking wet track and didn't really grasp the feel of the car on the circuit.done a few laps since then,so hope to have a better experience next time,last time was in my Tommi Makinen Evo,hope the M2 is as quick and as fun

[Bazgab]

The MK7 R's can be very quick, I wouldn't underestimate them. Guys are running in the 11's and 10's in the 1/4 mile with relatively little mods. They also handle pretty decently considering the limitations of their drivetrain.

Having owned the MK7 R myself, the biggest downfall is it is a boring car. This is the big reason I didn't even consider the new RS3, I figured the driving dynamics would be similar but with a nicer engine. I do not regret making the switch at all.

As far as straight line acceleration goes from a roll my manual M2 feels about as quick as my R when it had intake, downpipe and JB4. Throw in some turns and it is no contest on which is the better handling car.

[McPurrs]

Damn, I should have just bought a Transit lol

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by DoggieHowser

If you are referring to the DriveTribe comparison, I suspect it has to do with gearing.

Having a seventh cog on the TTRS DSG really makes a difference. Discovered this when we were comparing GTRs (6 speed DSG) vs the 911TTs which first came in 6 speed manuals and then in 7PDK, all in similar states of tune.

The DriveTribe result could also be due to the manual vs DSG handicap.

Having said that, I didn't buy the M2 for outright speed.

I'm using it for the daily commute where I want to have involvement at relatively low speeds. And for the weekend drives at the local mountain passes.

The Golf R is a relatively fun car too. But it isn't the same level as the M2.

Chris Harris had an old video segment back when he was running Chris Harris on Cars where he pit the Mk7 R against the M235i Performance Pack which is well worth a watch.

Seventh gear on the M2 DCT however is a second overdrive so... :

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by BlacMacJac

Oh yeah. Apparently my 7 is crap.

Thought I would update that to what you really should have said

[SeanWRT]

Really m2 performance reputation has been ruined by those manual drivers.

Stop testing manuals without having a pro rally driver in place, please.

[kiysersosae]

Originally Posted by Bazgab

The MK7 R's can be very quick, I wouldn't underestimate them. Guys are running in the 11's and 10's in the 1/4 mile with relatively little mods. They also handle pretty decently considering the limitations of their drivetrain.

Having owned the MK7 R myself, the biggest downfall is it is a boring car. This is the big reason I didn't even consider the new RS3, I figured the driving dynamics would be similar but with a nicer engine. I do not regret making the switch at all.

As far as straight line acceleration goes from a roll my manual M2 feels about as quick as my R when it had intake, downpipe and JB4. Throw in some turns and it is no contest on which is the better handling car.

I think they do too, I had a drive of an R and they are ace. The M2 doesn't even feel as fast as my 1m but I know it's faster, I think this is due to the smooth delivery of the power across the rpm.

[c1pher]

TLDR, but I have driven both an M235i RWD and xDrive and they were both faster than the Golf R and my brother's S3 (essentially the same). I find it hard to believe it's faster than an M2 around any track unless tuned/modified.

[BlacMacJac]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Thought I would update that to what you really should have said

Maybe I missed the joke, but I don't have a MK7, mine's a MK6 (2012/6SP)