[Artemis]

Originally Posted by MR.

I do not believe this will happen in this model series. However I do feel and believe there will be another limited model saying goodbye to the M2 F87 model series before the GXX model arrives.
The M CEO did not want to comment on this, but I think there will be one more as rumored the last year. What that model will be? No idea... I do not see it arriving before the end of 2019 or early 2020.
MR

M2 CS.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by Artemis

M2 CS.

But the M3 CS and M4 CS do not have a wing.

Also, the M2 Competition is quite heavy still. Really think that they could reduce weight by around 150 lbs.

If they did that and based on Frank Van Meel's insistence on the 4 tiered model line up, there is a lot of scope for a CSL. The GTS name does look unlikely looking at this interview.

[MR.]

Originally Posted by Gatte

But the M3 CS and M4 CS do not have a wing.

Also, the M2 Competition is quite heavy still. Really think that they could reduce weight by around 150 lbs.

If they did that and based on Frank Van Meel's insistence on the 4 tiered model line up, there is a lot of scope for a CSL. The GTS name does look unlikely looking at this interview.

I do not believe in a M2 CSL... I do believe in a M2 CS. GTS name is dead.

MR

[redpriest]

Outstanding interview and great questions, thanks!

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Gatte

@MR. the interview with the "Frank" person was very useful.

He also still insisted that the BMW M lineup will be split across base, Competition, CS and CSL (Not GTS). I find this very encouraging.

I was hoping you would ask him if the CS was then called competition or if there were 2 different models from the beginning. He might've probably not answered but thought it would be worth a shot.

Let's hope what is stopped starts moving again.... quickly.

however it sounds like all that is for the FUTURE lineups.. as in next gen....

Currently.

M3 - ending. production now.. has had base.. ... ZCP.. and CS..but will not have a CSL
M4 - so far has three of the 4 lines and a CSL would be the last one..
base is available.. so is ZCP - comp pack... and CS.. perhaps a CSL last hurrah ?

M2 - comp replaces base... but " no time" for CSL... and if just one more hurrah then an M2 CS seems more likely.

For GTS treatment they would need.. roll bar... they could install the M4 GTS triple adjustables and a rear wing... some door panels.. and GTS seat option perhaps... maybe a front splitter.. but I doubt they will make any further front end aero adjustments like a new hood ..

Originally Posted by Artemis

M2 CS.

I concur. So.. expect news August of... when?

Originally Posted by Gatte

But the M3 CS and M4 CS do not have a wing.

Also, the M2 Competition is quite heavy still. Really think that they could reduce weight by around 150 lbs.

If they did that and based on Frank Van Meel's insistence on the 4 tiered model line up, there is a lot of scope for a CSL. The GTS name does look unlikely looking at this interview.

I think you are skipping CS to get to CSL.. but weight saving options are pretty much NIL for the M2 Comp... and I don't anticipate a whole lot more development of lighter body panels (ala M4 GTS) that close to the end of the run. They can go the CS route and perhaps remove some A/C items.. not add a roll cage .. ... and claim that some weight has been removed to get it below the M4...

I am pretty sure that in the past.. BMW engineers have stated that they maxed out weight savings on the E46 M3. ?


In keeping with this moniker, denoting lightweight design, the BMW M3 CSL introduced a series of weight-saving parts to the mix. The center console, interior door trim and rear-view mirror were made from carbon-fiber-reinforced plastic (CFRP), the rear window featured thinner glass, the trunk lid with integral spoiler lip was now lighter and weight had also been cut from the trunk trim. All in all, the judicious use of lightweight parts allowed the car’s curb weight to be reduced by 362 pounds to 3,053 pounds.


http://www.bmwblog.com/2016/04/13/hi...cial-editions/


In 2010, BMW M GmbH introduced the direct successor to the BMW M3 CSL in the form of the BMW M3 GTS. Like its predecessor, it was designed to deliver the highest dynamic performance. Lightweight construction once again played a central role, reducing the car’s DIN curb weight to 3,373 pounds – 275 pounds lower than that of the standard BMW M3

[MR.]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

however it sounds like all that is for the FUTURE lineups.. as in next gen....

Currently.

M3 - ending. production now.. .. so it will not have a CSL
M4 - so far has three of the 4 lines and a CSL would be the last one..
base is available.. so is ZCP - comp pack... and CS.. perhaps a CSL last hurrah ?

M2 - comp replaces base... but " no time" for CSL... and if just one more hurrah then an M2 CS seems more likely.

For GTS treatment they would need.. roll bar... they could install the M4 GTS triple adjustables and a rear wing... some door panels.. and GTS seat option perhaps... maybe a front splitter.. but I doubt they will make any further front end aero adjustments like a new hood ..

Your thinking is not completely correct. No more new models for current M3 and M4.

First release of CSL is M4 or M5. Only one more model for M2 and then it is done.

Focus on the G-series when it comes to the full line up for four models. Don't look at current models in the F-series.

MR

[Gatte]

M3 Adjuster, Artemis, @MR: Let's mark this post.

We'll revisit later.

If it is just a CS, it'll be more of a CS than the M3 CS and M4 CS combined.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Gatte

M3 Adjuster, Artemis, @MR: Let's mark this post.

We'll revisit later.

If it is just a CS, it'll be more of a CS than the M3 CS and M4 CS combined.

you know Artemis will have it written down

the M3 and M4 CS are not much...

2 new colors
lighter door panels
lighter hood
?

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Gatte

M3 Adjuster, Artemis, @MR: Let's mark this post.
We'll revisit later.
If it is just a CS, it'll be more of a CS than the M3 CS and M4 CS combined.

Random browsing through the BMW back-catalogue:

BMW part # 51141816995 (RealOEM | ETK | BMW Canada)



BMW part # 51148074559 (RealOEM | ETK)

[recycledAlva]

this settles everything.

MR: What would you like to say to the owners that currently drive a M2? What should they do? Should they move to the M2 Competition?

FvM: First of all, I would like to say; you have made the best possible decision. Great choice! If you feel like it, cannot resist the change or you are in the market for a new car, then please do upgrade to the new M2 Competition. You will love it! If you are not, then please stay with your beloved M2. Enjoy it, drive it, make it your own and be sure to keep that M smile on your face through every single mile or kilometer. In the end, both cars are quite different, but have an extremely strong character that is unique to the 2-Series M line up.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

you know Artemis will have it written down

Oh, I am counting on it.

As I said earlier, if it does end up being called a CS, it'll be more of an improvement than the M3 CS and M4 CS combined.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Gatte

Oh, I am counting on it.

As I said earlier, if it does end up being called a CS, it'll be more of an improvement than the M3 CS and M4 CS combined.

ugh. I hate you (read: I hate your hints) .

I've been jilted and I am ready to move on to X3m40 vs X3M

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Gatte

Oh, I am counting on it.

As I said earlier, if it does end up being called a CS, it'll be more of an improvement than the M3 CS and M4 CS combined.

"CS" = less chances for spelling mistakes during launch...





Would be cool to call it the SE. But that's not gonna happen:

[chmura]

What M wheels are optional??

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Artemis

"CS" = less chances for spelling mistakes during launch...



Would be cool to call it the SE. But that's not gonna happen:

I owned (two) E30 M3 for 17 years... only selling for the 1M. I have always wanted to import a Sport Evo.

Sport Evo should never be used again unless the vehicle is being designed for HOMOLOGATION.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

ugh. I hate you (read: I hate your hints) .

I've been jilted and I am ready to move on to X3m40 vs X3M

Here's a hint, it should not have a manual transmission.

That should simplify your decision and bring down some of that hate.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by chmura

What M wheels are optional??

• stock wheels:
  • 437M 19" double-spoke bi-color wheels (base M2) (code 2VZ)
• optional wheels:
  • 788M 19" Y-spoke forged lightweight wheels:
    • bi-color (option code 2QT)
    • black (option code 29U)

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Gatte

Here's a hint, it should not have a manual transmission.

That should simplify your decision and bring down some of that hate.

yes.. that way it can be as HEAVY as possible.. Makes sense.

https://www.windingroad.com/articles...-m235i-racing/

Power comes by way of an M Performance 3.0-liter biturbocharged six-cylinder motor outputting 320 horsepower and about 325 lb-ft of torque. Weight is 3135 lb. An M Performance mechanical limited slip differential will provide the twist to the 18 x 10 inch alloys, and a race-tuned ABS system will help the 4-pot front and 2-pot rear caliper brake setup slow things down as necessary

Set to run in the Pirelli World Challenge TC class, the car is priced at $94,636

[Space gray]

Nice article.
Why the undisclosed location near Munich? Was it somewhere compromising to report?

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Space gray

Nice article.
Why the undisclosed location near Munich? Was it somewhere compromising to report?

I would bet $$$ that the " undisclosed location" near Munich was the M Studio..

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

yes.. that way it can be as HEAVY as possible.. Makes sense.

https://www.windingroad.com/articles...-m235i-racing/

Power comes by way of an M Performance 3.0-liter biturbocharged six-cylinder motor outputting 320 horsepower and about 325 lb-ft of torque. Weight is 3135 lb. An M Performance mechanical limited slip differential will provide the twist to the 18 x 10 inch alloys, and a race-tuned ABS system will help the 4-pot front and 2-pot rear caliper brake setup slow things down as necessary

Set to run in the Pirelli World Challenge TC class, the car is priced at $94,636

But the 3135 lb is where the stock car (M235i) weighed 3208 lbs which is a savings of 73 lbs.

The M2 Competition weighs a lot more so the weight will probably not be close to 3135 lbs. Hopefully, they can reduce the weight by 200 lbs when compared to the M2 Competition.

Do you know what the Nurburgring time was for the M235i racing car ?? Want to understand how much quicker it is than the M2.

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by Gatte

But the 3135 lb is where the stock car (M235i) weighed 3208 lbs which is a savings of 73 lbs.

The M2 Competition weighs a lot more so the weight will probably not be close to 3135 lbs. Hopefully, they can reduce the weight by 200 lbs when compared to the M2 Competition.

Do you know what the Nurburgring time was for the M235i racing car ?? Want to understand how much quicker it is than the M2.

CF Roof, Aluminum hood and front panels would probably drop it a little over 100lbs. Remove the back seat and no power front seats and you might get close to shedding 200.