[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

I own an E84 X1 S-drive28 M sport which is RWD... so I know the answer... my X1 is LIGHTER than the M2C



YEP! when people keep saying.. " it's just another 120 lbs... " the problem is that BMW has been adding 120 lbs or more in each generation of their small coupes.. In the US from the 1M (3296 lbs) to the M2 (3450 lbs - 6MT ) there was a clear weight gain... and now the M2 gets a *second* helping of weight with the S55.

You think the extra equipment is made out of air? Things like a closed deck block, extra turbo, plumbing, more rads, etc...all adds up. Could they have offset that with a carbon roof, carbon bootlid, etc...sure. But these same complainers would then complain about the price. I can hear it now...”why don’t you just buy an M4 for a couple grand more. That is too much for a M2”. Blah...blah...blah. It’s a case of damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

You think the extra equipment is made out of air? Things like a closed deck block, extra turbo, plumbing, more rads, etc...all adds up. Could they have offset that with a carbon roof, carbon bootlid, etc...sure. But these same complainers would then complain about the price. I can hear it now..."why don't you just buy an M4 for a couple grand more. That is too much for a M2". Blah...blah...blah. It's a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.

That's EXACTLY what the sales Dud will say ...

( because there is one M2 comp on the floor and it's a demo ).

" why don't you buy an M4... we can make you a helluva deal and we can get you into an M4 today !"

" Plus.... ( leans in close and whispers ) .. the M4 has the carbon roof and it's actually LIGHTER than the M2 ! "

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

You think the extra equipment is made out of air? Things like a closed deck block, extra turbo, plumbing, more rads, etc...all adds up. Could they have offset that with a carbon roof, carbon bootlid, etc...sure. But these same complainers would then complain about the price. I can hear it now...”why don’t you just buy an M4 for a couple grand more. That is too much for a M2”. Blah...blah...blah. It’s a case of damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

You are probably right, in that a lot of people would look at it that way. But I wouldn't - for example, I wouldn't care if the best Cayman ever made was more expensive than the best 911 ever made, because I prefer the mid-engine set up.

Just like some folks prefer the size of the M2 compared to the M4 - I wouldn't care if the price was the same or even more. I am not sure if I am making sense, but I would certainly pay for the same price for an M2 with all the trimmings that my F80 has...

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Saphirschwarz

Time to pop an S55 and M Mirrors in that X2 then

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Give BMW about 15 months... Voila.. X2M

But they can't because the new X1/2 are based on the FWD platform, right? That's my recollection but I might be wrong.

A true RWD biased AWD X2M could be awesome though...I think we will just get an M40i instead.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

But they can't because the new X1/2 are based on the FWD platform, right? That's my recollection but I might be wrong.

A true RWD biased AWD X2M could be awesome though...I think we will just get an M40i instead.

M cars aren't differentiated as much as they used to be from series models. An X2M40i could be a blast. probably outrun my m2.

[Datka]

What? M2 comp. will be heavier than m3/m4?

[RPM33]

Any guesses when the M2 CS will come out? Summer of 2019?

[MR.]

Originally Posted by RPM33

Any guesses when the M2 CS will come out? Summer of 2019?

Rumours suggest not before 2020.

MR

[seis-speed]

With lighter weight and full of CF bits.

My question is when this might happen? 2019?

Any guesses...

[MaxZ8]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

With lighter weight and full of CF bits.

My question is when this might happen? 2019?

Any guesses...

Obvious because of? All i´ve heard is the "no comment" on the question whether a M2 variant is coming or not.

[AlpsRider]

Even if there is a new M2 variant, I wonder what they would be adding in addition to the M performance bits that would be so compelling. The M2C will have the more powerful tune-able S55 engine, The rest of the parts could be added later. I don't think there is any reason to wait. Maybe they'll make a sport package but that would mean that you take it all or leave it.

[M2_Purist]

I'm torn as to whether or not another variant will be released. On one hand you'd think the current 2 series only has a couple of years left anyway. But then again, why would BMW engineer and market all these accessories and new parts (more than any other model I can recall) if it's towards the end of its lifecycle?

[boostspoon]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

Even if there is a new M2 variant, I wonder what they would be adding in addition to the M performance bits that would be so compelling. The M2C will have the more powerful tune-able S55 engine. The rest could be added later. I don't think there is any reason to wait. Maybe they'll make a sport package but that would mean that you take it all or leave it.

Agreed

[boostspoon]

Originally Posted by Z435is

I'm torn as to whether or not another variant will be released. On one hand you'd think the current 2 series only has a couple of years left anyway. But then again, why would BMW engineer and market all these accessories and new parts (more than any other model I can recall) if it's towards the end of its lifecycle?

Models change but some of these parts may be interchangeable with all versions of the 2 series.

The thing with aftermarket or performance parts is that once it’s designed, buyers will still come knocking on the door 10 years later

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

Even if there is a new M2 variant, I wonder what they would be adding in addition to the M performance bits that would be so compelling. The M2C will have the more powerful tune-able S55 engine. The rest could be added later. I don't think there is any reason to wait. Maybe they'll make a sport package but that would mean that you take it all or leave it.

Perhaps a rollcage? Integrated wing for track use? Upgraded brakes as standard?

Just a couple of ideas - I know these things can be added via the M performance route (except the rollcage, although there seem to be aftermarket options on that front), but a cohesive track package from the factory could definitely be worth waiting for.

[Say Chi Sin Lo]

Originally Posted by Z435is

I'm torn as to whether or not another variant will be released. On one hand you'd think the current 2 series only has a couple of years left anyway. But then again, why would BMW engineer and market all these accessories and new parts (more than any other model I can recall) if it's towards the end of its lifecycle?

From a business standpoint, it actually makes sense for BMW to push heavily when it comes to marketing the M2C, or any M cars in general. You may or may not disagree with me.

M cars do not appeal to the masses and they're extremely nichy. Surely, these cars are not cheap to make and let's look at how many M cars they sell versus how many normal examples they sell? I'd imagine for every 10 normal examples they sell, they only sell 1 or 2 M cars. It's not that these cars aren't great, but the market simply isn't as big for the less expensive, less extreme versions.

Now let's imagine you take a non-enthusiast buyer, and you feed him/her enough marketing crap, and the non-enthusiast pulls the trigger and plunge into a M car. That's a massive win for BMW in terms of sales. And they'd still wouldn't have any issues selling the normal version of the car to the next buyer.

So, even (if) the 2 series is heading towards the end of its product cycle, I think it makes sense for BMW to invest a good effort in marketing these M cars.

I'm looking forward to the M2C as my next car, I'm glad there are rumblings of yet another variant, but I'm sure I won't be able to afford this supposed range-topping variant.

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Perhaps a rollcage? Integrated wing for track use? Upgraded brakes as standard?

Just a couple of ideas - I know these things can be added via the M performance route (except the rollcage, although there seem to be aftermarket options on that front), but a cohesive track package from the factory could definitely be worth waiting for.

For some people I'm sure it makes sense. I don't think it would be a cheap variant though and that affects many buyers.

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

Even if there is a new M2 variant, I wonder what they would be adding in addition to the M performance bits that would be so compelling. The M2C will have the more powerful tune-able S55 engine, The rest of the parts could be added later. I don't think there is any reason to wait. Maybe they'll make a sport package but that would mean that you take it all or leave it.

Only thing I can think of is CF driveshaft (remember despite the new emission regulations M3 CS and M4 CS still use CF driveshaft), lighter seats, and lithium battery. You can easily retrofit the seats and the battery; in fact, you don't even have to wait for the CS or CSL for that. CF Driveshaft would be unique to CS in addition to the increased engine output. However, the questions are how many M2 CS will BWM make and how much are they going to charge. My guess is it would probably cost $85K+. I will be happy and have no interest in CS if I can order an M2C with CF roof, hood, fenders, and MPE as port install and keep the MSRP at or below $80K.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by cntzl

Only thing I can think of is CF driveshaft (remember despite the new emission regulations M3 CS and M4 CS still use CF driveshaft), lighter seats, and lithium battery. You can easily retrofit the seats and the battery; in fact, you don't even have to wait for the CS or CSL for that. CF Driveshaft would be unique to CS in addition to the increased engine output. However, the questions are how many M2 CS will BWM make and how much are they going to charge. My guess is it would probably cost $85K+. I will be happy and have no interest in CS if I can order an M2C with CF roof, hood, fenders, and MPE as port install and keep the MSRP at or below $80K.

If the CS is DCT only like the M3/M4, fortget about it.

How is the M4 CS getting around the new Otto particulate filter? I know the M3 is ending production early because of it. How long is the M4 CS being produced, cutoff for particulate filter on the M4 is June 1st.

[Say Chi Sin Lo]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

If the CS is DCT only like the M3/M4, fortget about it.

How is the M4 CS getting around the new Otto particulate filter? I know the M3 is ending production early because of it. How long is the M4 CS being produced, cutoff for particulate filter on the M4 is June 1st.

The M3/M4 is DCT only?!

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

If the CS is DCT only like the M3/M4, fortget about it.

How is the M4 CS getting around the new Otto particulate filter? I know the M3 is ending production early because of it. How long is the M4 CS being produced, cutoff for particulate filter on the M4 is June 1st.

I don't how but both M3 and M4 CS for sure has CF driveshaft. I also haven't seen a specific EOP for M4 CS so not sure how many or how long they will build.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

Even if there is a new M2 variant, I wonder what they would be adding in addition to the M performance bits that would be so compelling. The M2C will have the more powerful tune-able S55 engine, The rest of the parts could be added later. I don't think there is any reason to wait. Maybe they'll make a sport package but that would mean that you take it all or leave it.

have you seen the M2 Moto GP Safety car? Just put a 6MT in it , add a window sticker.., remove some of those silly decals and sell it to me in BSM.