[Nine Lives]

Originally Posted by krizze

Personally i don't think i'd want this, its cool and all but its just not M BMW, it think there is a beauty in the classic analogue dials.

Originally Posted by Tralfaz

Yep, the digital display is a matter of personal taste. Intellectually I can understand the benefits of it, but aesthetically it's just not for me. Too "flat".

Originally Posted by krizze

don't get me wrong i think its awesome what Audi have done how its basically everything and its really cool, but like you said its a matter of taste, personally i think the digital screen takes away a portion of the driving experience, just like on the inside of the BMW's the classic orange ambient lighting, its all part of the experience of owning a BMW

I'd probably agree with you if the quality of the instrument binnacle was anything to write home about like a Porsche display for example.It's not though.

Sadly it's that low rent you can't even read the unlit dials because BMW thought nobody needed to read it in the daytime not to mention the temp displays or lack of without having to scroll through for a combined afterthought.

It's in need of modernising...

[junx]

Originally Posted by Benef1cient

The LCI dash was covered in camo so they'll probably add digital speedo and new idrive to stay in line with the recent competition trends.

Wow I didn't know that. This will really make the wait worth it!

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by JB330Ci

I contacted Classic the end of January, this is the email I got from them:

"...We currently have 113 people on the waiting list, and the 90th person just ordered theirs, so it's looking like a 2-4 months before your name would come up if we added you today. Once we submit your build/order, it's about a 3-4 month production turn around for it to arrive then.'....

So I asked them to add me to the waiting list right away but on 2018's. I checked it with them again a week ago and was told there were 12 people in front of me. Hopefully they will have enough April-June allocations for those. I was also told my best chance was to get 2018 allocations.

This is absolutely insane - where are all these people hiding their M2s in north Dallas? I have literally seen one LBB M2 since the car came out. There's also been a white one @ Cars & Coffee at Classic BMW a few times, but that's it.

Who are you dealing with @ Classic? Just curious - before I got my 981, a couple of the SAs gave me the run-around there. Mauricio is good though - he will be straight with you, whatever the list actually looks like.

[dmboone25]

Will the LCI get LED headlights? And the new design that flow into the middle of the grill?

That would be worth waiting for IMO - that looks really sharp.

[piesauce]

I find it hard to believe that the changes aren't made public yet. Being as I work for one of the "Big 3" in the auto industry I know that at a plant level they know what the changes are because they're already running pilots on the 18MY. And if you're telling me that some dealer doesn't have a contact or someone that knows a person who works in the BMW manufacturing plant doesn't know something than you're full of it.

All I'm saying is... where's our Snowden of the BMW industry?? Where's our LEAK!? Of all you people on here, nobody knows someone who works at the manufacturing plant actually building the 18MY pilots right now??

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by piesauce

I find it hard to believe that the changes aren't made public yet.

When in their history has change notification timing been otherwise?

[Nine Lives]

Originally Posted by piesauce

I find it hard to believe that the changes aren't made public yet. Being as I work for one of the "Big 3" in the auto industry I know that at a plant level they know what the changes are because they're already running pilots on the 18MY. And if you're telling me that some dealer doesn't have a contact or someone that knows a person who works in the BMW manufacturing plant doesn't know something than you're full of it.

All I'm saying is... where's our Snowden of the BMW industry?? Where's our LEAK!? Of all you people on here, nobody knows someone who works at the manufacturing plant actually building the 18MY pilots right now??

There's one or two that throw us a bone our way now and then with pretty accurate speculation that BMW are happy to let through but anything other than that and job retention comes into play I imagine.
It wouldn't be fair to expect somebody to risk their livelihood for the sake of a forum.

[piesauce]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

When in their history has change notification timing been otherwise?

I'm not speaking about BMW actually making the change notifications public. I'm referring to people who are like me, that could tell you everything that is changing with the 2 vehicles I work with up into 2019 as of now.. We've already ran through our first phase of pilot builds here. I could be a guys "inside man" for change details on the vehicles I support as an engineer.

I'm simply wondering how out of all the people on this forum that not ONE has close relations with some engineer or assembly line worker who knows what the changes are.

It's just the impatience talking.. Aren't we all a little impatient

[ddnmkun]

Originally Posted by Tralfaz

Yep, the digital display is a matter of personal taste. Intellectually I can understand the benefits of it, but aesthetically it's just not for me. Too "flat".

Totally agree!!
It looks pretty neat, but what if...just like my iphone, after a few years, some dead pixel starts showing up, it will just bugs me all the time.

[piesauce]

Originally Posted by Nine Lives

There's one or two that throw us a bone our way now and then with pretty accurate speculation that BMW are happy to let through but anything other than that and job retention comes into play I imagine.
It wouldn't be fair to expect somebody to risk their livelihood for the sake of a forum.

Solution to that... Create an alias at a local library and post on the forum. Their livelihood will not be at stake. lol

[Nine Lives]

Originally Posted by Nine Lives

There's one or two that throw us a bone our way now and then with pretty accurate speculation that BMW are happy to let through but anything other than that and job retention comes into play I imagine.
It wouldn't be fair to expect somebody to risk their livelihood for the sake of a forum.

Originally Posted by piesauce

Solution to that... Create an alias at a local library and post on the forum. Their livelihood will not be at stake. lol

That's great to know

[Tralfaz]

Originally Posted by ddnmkun

Totally agree!!
It looks pretty neat, but what if...just like my iphone, after a few years, some dead pixel starts showing up, it will just bugs me all the time.

Yeah, there is that as well. I also fear the "all or nothing" issue that can happen. A friend with a Tesla had his display fail at which point he had no instruments whatsoever. I realize the same could happen to analog instruments, but it just feels like it would be less likely.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by Tralfaz

A friend with a Tesla had his display fail at which point he had no instruments whatsoever.

That's hilariously broken.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

This is absolutely insane - where are all these people hiding their M2s in north Dallas? I have literally seen one LBB M2 since the car came out. There's also been a white one @ Cars & Coffee at Classic BMW a few times, but that's it.

Who are you dealing with @ Classic? Just curious - before I got my 981, a couple of the SAs gave me the run-around there. Mauricio is good though - he will be straight with you, whatever the list actually looks like.

interesting how they seem to come out at Lone star chapter BMW CCA events...

[hshot_rooke]

Originally Posted by Black Gold

hm

the m3/4 is 35xx lbs, much larger and does come in a manual.

According the BMW.ca, the M3/M4 are Auto transmission only.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

interesting how they seem to come out at Lone star chapter BMW CCA events...

My point is that if there are 100+ people in line, then there should be plenty of cars in the area that have already been sold to owners - yes, it makes sense that if I go searching for an M2 at a CCA event, I will find some.

It just seems, with a list that long, very improbable that all of those folks wait it out and actually buy a car. Because you would see them around, and I really don't...and I am on the SRT and DNT and in-between every day.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

My point is that if there are 100+ people in line, then there should be plenty of cars in the area that have already been sold to owners - yes, it makes sense that if I go searching for an M2 at a CCA event, I will find some.

It just seems, with a list that long, very improbable that all of those folks wait it out and actually buy a car. Because you would see them around, and I really don't...and I am on the SRT and DNT and in-between every day.

Yes. I've said this for about 6 years now.


BMW doesn't really want to sell a 1M or its successor ... the M2.

They love that buyers are attracted by the sizzle of the M2 but they want buyers to step up to the M3/M4 or slide down to an M240 if at all possible. They make this happen by restricting the volume of the M2.

Indeed if BMW really wanted to sell the M2 then they should have many more available. However it is abundantly clear TO ME that this is not the case.

The other three models have long options lists ( for more profit ) , and of course you know BMW for decades wanted to make the 3 series the luxury midsize sedan sales crown winner.
They went for bust creating the 4 series to do so and that has backfired because the competition brought out smaller models in the same class where ass BMW just split the lineup into 3 and 4 series and then fractured that more with gran coupes etc. and they really don't sell 2 series at all ... but I digress ...

Based on a poll among these pages - 60 percent of the buyers in line for an M2 will flake out and still buy another BMW product .

Around 25 percent will go buy a Porsche and the rest will scatter across the market.


So it really doesn't hurt BMW that people are waiting in line ... it's up to the individuals in line to decide on what they want.

Some patient fools will be waiting until the M2 supply dries up, like a game of duck duck goose. Hopefully most true enthusiasts will actually recognize the sales model for what it and step out of the long lines and find dealers that have allocations.


I have a background in sales. So it's easy for me to recognize this sales strategy. Apparently a lot of people believe that every manufacturer wants to mass produced every model they make and will make them available like Lays does potato chips .. " we'll make more ".

Sorry folks but that's not the sales model for the M2. It's been available for 12 months and yet quantities are still incredibly limited .. time to wake up

[AndyinHou]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Yes. I've said this for about 6 years now.


BMW doesn't really want to sell a 1M or its successor ... the M2.

They love that buyers are attracted by the sizzle of the M2 but they want buyers to step up to the M3/M4 or slide down to an M240 if at all possible. They make this happen by restricting the volume of the M2.

Indeed if BMW really wanted to sell the M2 then they should have many more available. However it is abundantly clear TO ME that this is not the case.

The other three models have long options lists ( for more profit ) , and of course you know BMW for decades wanted to make the 3 series the luxury midsize sedan sales crown winner.
They went for bust creating the 4 series to do so and that has backfired because the competition brought out smaller models in the same class where ass BMW just split the lineup into 3 and 4 series and then fractured that more with gran coupes etc. and they really don't sell 2 series at all ... but I digress ...

Based on a poll among these pages - 60 percent of the buyers in line for an M2 will flake out and still buy another BMW product .

Around 25 percent will go buy a Porsche and the rest will scatter across the market.


So it really doesn't hurt BMW that people are waiting in line ... it's up to the individuals in line to decide on what they want.

Some patient fools will be waiting until the M2 supply dries up, like a game of duck duck goose. Hopefully most true enthusiasts will actually recognize the sales model for what it and step out of the long lines and find dealers that have allocations.


I have a background in sales. So it's easy for me to recognize this sales strategy. Apparently a lot of people believe that every manufacturer wants to mass produced every model they make and will make them available like Lays does potato chips .. " we'll make more ".

Sorry folks but that's not the sales model for the M2. It's been available for 12 months and yet quantities are still incredibly limited .. time to wake up

Interesting... is that why they kept the power figures so close to the M235/M240?

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by AndyinHou

Interesting... is that why they kept the power figures so close to the M235/M240?

That's way too tight a focus In my opinion.. the overall entire vehicles- not just the motor .. are quite similar when comparing the m240 and M2.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by AndyinHou

Interesting... is that why they kept the power figures so close to the M235/M240?

MSRP is about the same in the US anyway, and a lot of people just buy based on power figures. So makes strategic sense.

[amw896]

if you really like this generation, then from a financial perspective it'll be best to wait. M2s are currently big time inflated but once the (expected) s55 powered M2 rolls out, the n55s will plummet in value. Just nature of it when it comes to luxury cars I guess. Of course, that's just speculative but these are not limited in terms of supply like the 1m so i would bet it'll happen.

[AndyinHou]

Originally Posted by amw896

if you really like this generation, then from a financial perspective it'll be best to wait. M2s are currently big time inflated but once the (expected) s55 powered M2 rolls out, the n55s will plummet in value. Just nature of it when it comes to luxury cars I guess. Of course, that's just speculative but these are not limited in terms of supply like the 1m so i would bet it'll happen.

I thought the general train of thought was that the CS / CSLmight get the S55, whilst the regular might go to the B58 - and even that would take a while to arrive?