[MR.]

Originally Posted by chak87

Well engine temperature is displayed in the normal board computer. At least that's what the manual says. Your sales person seems to need some product training.

Make a screenshot of the manual. Then we canhave it confirmed... I will ask my contact at the show floor to find it and confirm it for us all via a photo.

MR

[Pol]

Thanks for sharing!

[Pol]

My experience of the Brussels auto show is that most of the spokesmen don't know a lot when going into detail. I even doubt there is a M-specialist.

[MR.]

Originally Posted by Chris10Bimmers

Fantastic information Mr.

- So definitely 2 turbo's rather than a single twin scroll turbo....has your contact been at the bar....?
- I'm amazed that delivery is possible mid year if ordered now, not possible in the UK, at least near to me.
- How was the Alcantara feel, good quality, its only in the door inserts and around the 6MT hood and handbrake? Assume this was a DCT car.
- I might be out of touch with this next one but I thought Adaptive suspension was not an option?
- Any more info you could ask from your contact about the MPerformance suspension coil overs?

Please for all the above of course, thanks again, nice info, looking forward to the pictures.

Let me answer your questions:

1. Tell me about it, the guy was not really clear and did not know all the right things to say
2. UK is a special market, especially because of the limited number
3. Alcantara felt good. Nicely. The CF is a bit cheap. It is not the glossy stuff from the M4 or what is used on the outside. This was a DCT.
4. Already answered that one
5. They did not know anything about the M Performance coil overs.

MR

[metrickid]

Sounds like the it usually does, show staff without real knowledge as there are a few errors in the answers... How hard can it be to find a person with real knowledge about the car?

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by MR.

Talk with BMW M spokesperson:
During my talk with the BMW M spokesperson, we discussed the technical highlights of the car. He told me the following things: [...]
- There is no oil or water temperature gauge in the whole car. Information will only presented on the M Performance steering wheel or via an aftermarket system (e.g. P3Cars.com).

Originally Posted by MR.

In the dashboard there is no oil temperature or water temperature gauge. Some people asked me this before and I got confirmed it is not there.

Did he really say that ?

Allow me to zoom in on an M2 instrument cluster picture.




EDIT: UPDATE picture

[hyperzulu]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Did he really say that ?

Allow me to zoom in on an M2 instrument cluster picture.

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The manual says it is available as well, but probably won't show if the car is not running.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by chak87

Well engine temperature is displayed in the normal board computer. At least that's what the manual says. Your sales person seems to need some product training.

Originally Posted by MR.

Make a screenshot of the manual. Then we canhave it confirmed... I will ask my contact at the show floor to find it and confirm it for us all via a photo.

Originally Posted by hyperzulu

The manual says it is available as well, but probably won't show if the car is not running.

Excerpts from the M2 Owner's Manual (through the BMW Driver's Guide):

--------------------------------------
Onboard computer

Calling up information on the info display
Press and hold button on turn signal lever.
Information is displayed in the info display of the instrument cluster.

Information at a glance
Info display
Repeatedly pressing the button on the turn signal lever calls up the following information in the info display:
- Range.
- Average consumption, fuel.
- Average speed.
- Date.
- Engine temperature display.
- Speed limit detection.
- Time of arrival. When destination guidance is activated in the navigation system.
- Distance to destination. When destination guidance is activated in the navigation system.
- Arrow view of navigation system. When destination guidance is activated in the navigation system.

Selecting information
Depending on the vehicle equipment version, you can select what information from the onboard computer is to be displayed on the info display of the instrument cluster.
On the Control Display:
1. "Settings"
2. "Instrument cluster"
3. "Select the desired information.
Settings are stored for the profile currently used.

Information in detail.
[...]
Engine temperature display
Displays the current engine temperature, based on a combination of coolant and engine oil temperature. As soon as the optimum operating temperature has been attained, the indicator is in the center position.
If the engine oil or coolant, thus the engine, become too hot, a Check Control message is displayed.
[...]
--------------------------------------
Electronic oil measurement

Status display

The concept
The engine oil level is monitored electronically while driving and shown on the Controller Display.
If the engine oil level reaches the minimum level, a check control message is displayed.

Requirements
A current measured value is available after approx. 30 minutes of driving. During a shorter trip, the status of the last, sufficiently long trip is displayed.
If the engine oil level reaches the minimum level, a check control message is displayed.

Displaying the engine oil level
About iDrive:
1. "Vehicle info"
2. "Vehicle status"
3. [ICON] "Engine oil level"
The engine oil level is displayed.

Engine oil level display messages
Different messages appear on the display depending on the engine oil level. Pay attention to these messages.
If the engine oil level is too low, within the next 125 miles / 200 km > Add engine oil.
Warning: Engine oil level too low.
A too low engine oil level causes engine damage. There is a risk of property damage. Immediately add engine oil.
Take care not to add too much engine oil.
Warning: Too much engine oil.
Too much engine oil can damage the engine or the catalytic converter. There is risk of property damage. Do not add too much engine oil. When too much engine oil is added, have oil level corrected by a dealer's service center or another qualified service center or repair shop.

Detailed measurement

The concept
In the detailed measurement the engine oil level is checked when the vehicle is stationary, and displayed via a scale.
If the engine oil level reaches the minimum level, a check control message is displayed.
During the measurement, the idle speed is increased somewhat.

Requirements
- Vehicle is parked in a horizontal position.
- Shift lever in neutral position, clutch and accelerator pedals not depressed.
- Engine is running and is at operating temperature.

Performing a detailed measurement
In order to perform a detailed measurement of the engine oil level:
1. "Vehicle info"
2. "Vehicle status"
3. [ICON] "Measure engine oil level"
4. "Start measurement"
The engine oil level is checked and displayed via a scale.
Time: approx. 1 minute.

Adding engine oil
[...]

Engine oil types to add
[...]

Engine oil change
[...]
--------------------------------------

[der max]

Was talking to a BMW salesman today. According to him, total production will be only 2,500 units. If that's true, no time to waste...

[CDN]

Originally Posted by MR.

- If you order now in Belgium, your car will be delivered in June/July. There is a six months waiting time for people who order this week.

Interesting... we ordered October 17 and the dealer's told us all the allocations for this year were called for and they were fighting with Bornem to find a way to get our car delivered before 2017.

Almost at the salon now, can't wait to see the M2 and hear what BMW has to say about delivery dates!

[filet.M2c]

Originally Posted by MR.

I was like... "Really two turbos? Two twin scroll turbos?" And he said "yes, there are two...." In the end I only spotted one turbo fitted to the engine, and I did not want to argue with the guy over the fact that there are one or two turbos.

MR

So what are we concluding from this? That the guy completely didn't know what he was talking about and it is the same turbo as the 235i.... or is it an upgraded twin scroll single?

[King_Slayer]

Originally Posted by MR.

Let me answer your questions:

1. Tell me about it, the guy was not really clear and did not know all the right things to say
2. UK is a special market, especially because of the limited number
3. Alcantara felt good. Nicely. The CF is a bit cheap. It is not the glossy stuff from the M4 or what is used on the outside. This was a DCT.
4. Already answered that one
5. They did not know anything about the M Performance coil overs.

MR

Thanks for taking the time to write that up and give us your impressions MR

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Did he really say that ?

Allow me to zoom in on an M2 instrument cluster picture.

Aha! Nice one.

[jc9elfer]

Great post and pics!

From the exterior pics, it looks like there is not much room/need for wheel spacers...seems like the wheel wells are pretty much filled out.

[MR.]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Did he really say that ?

Allow me to zoom in on an M2 instrument cluster picture.

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Attachment 1346299

That I never saw before... Learned something today thanks

MR

[MR.]

Originally Posted by synergist

So what are we concluding from this? That the guy completely didn't know what he was talking about and it is the same turbo as the 235i.... or is it an upgraded twin scroll single?

One person confirmed it is not the same turbo in this topic. Definitely not two turbos, but that we already knew. I think it is a upgraded twin scroll single developed by BMW themselves, so not like the M3/M4 where you have a third party turbo.

MR

[MR.]

Reading all these comments above... One BMW spokesperson doesn't know what the other says, or hasn't got a clue. It is amazing that just saying "I do not know" isn't an option.

Feels like making people happy with a dead bird... I feel like that a bit after hearing all these things that were incorrect. You do wonder what kind of crap this guy is telling to people at the gala dinner tonight. #help

MR

[King_Slayer]

Originally Posted by Pol

My experience of the Brussels auto show is that most of the spokesmen don't know a lot when going into detail. I even doubt there is a M-specialist.

[filet.M2c]

Originally Posted by MR.

One person confirmed it is not the same turbo in this topic. Definitely not two turbos, but that we already knew. I think it is a upgraded twin scroll single developed by BMW themselves, so not like the M3/M4 where you have a third party turbo.

MR

Well, if this is the case then I am pleasantly surprised. This solidifies the M2 as my next purchase. Thanks for the info!

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Excerpts from the M2 Owner's Manual (through the BMW Driver's Guide):

--------------------------------------
Onboard computer

Calling up information on the info display
Press and hold button on turn signal lever.
Information is displayed in the info display of the instrument cluster.

Information at a glance
Info display
Repeatedly pressing the button on the turn signal lever calls up the following information in the info display:
- Range.
- Average consumption, fuel.
- Average speed.
- Date.
- Engine temperature display.
- Speed limit detection.
- Time of arrival. When destination guidance is activated in the navigation system.
- Distance to destination. When destination guidance is activated in the navigation system.
- Arrow view of navigation system. When destination guidance is activated in the navigation system.

Selecting information
Depending on the vehicle equipment version, you can select what information from the onboard computer is to be displayed on the info display of the instrument cluster.
On the Control Display:
1. "Settings"
2. "Instrument cluster"
3. "Select the desired information.
Settings are stored for the profile currently used.

Information in detail.
[...]
Engine temperature display
Displays the current engine temperature, based on a combination of coolant and engine oil temperature. As soon as the optimum operating temperature has been attained, the indicator is in the center position.
If the engine oil or coolant, thus the engine, become too hot, a Check Control message is displayed.
[...]
--------------------------------------
Electronic oil measurement

Status display

The concept
The engine oil level is monitored electronically while driving and shown on the Controller Display.
If the engine oil level reaches the minimum level, a check control message is displayed.

Requirements
A current measured value is available after approx. 30 minutes of driving. During a shorter trip, the status of the last, sufficiently long trip is displayed.
If the engine oil level reaches the minimum level, a check control message is displayed.

Displaying the engine oil level
About iDrive:
1. "Vehicle info"
2. "Vehicle status"
3. [ICON] "Engine oil level"
The engine oil level is displayed.

Engine oil level display messages
Different messages appear on the display depending on the engine oil level. Pay attention to these messages.
If the engine oil level is too low, within the next 125 miles / 200 km > Add engine oil.
Warning: Engine oil level too low.
A too low engine oil level causes engine damage. There is a risk of property damage. Immediately add engine oil.
Take care not to add too much engine oil.
Warning: Too much engine oil.
Too much engine oil can damage the engine or the catalytic converter. There is risk of property damage. Do not add too much engine oil. When too much engine oil is added, have oil level corrected by a dealer's service center or another qualified service center or repair shop.

Detailed measurement

The concept
In the detailed measurement the engine oil level is checked when the vehicle is stationary, and displayed via a scale.
If the engine oil level reaches the minimum level, a check control message is displayed.
During the measurement, the idle speed is increased somewhat.

Requirements
- Vehicle is parked in a horizontal position.
- Shift lever in neutral position, clutch and accelerator pedals not depressed.
- Engine is running and is at operating temperature.

Performing a detailed measurement
In order to perform a detailed measurement of the engine oil level:
1. "Vehicle info"
2. "Vehicle status"
3. [ICON] "Measure engine oil level"
4. "Start measurement"
The engine oil level is checked and displayed via a scale.
Time: approx. 1 minute.

Adding engine oil
[...]

Engine oil types to add
[...]

Engine oil change
[...]
--------------------------------------

Displays the current engine temperature, based on a combination of coolant and engine oil temperature.

Wow.

A single monitor for both coolant and oil temp.

I wonder if it says KAPUT! : Hmmmmm

Oooh I just looked at the economy meter in the instrument gauge. Oh how Times have changed!

[mofomat]

Originally Posted by MR.

Reading all these comments above... One BMW spokesperson doesn't know what the other says, or hasn't got a clue. It is amazing that just saying "I do not know" isn't an option.

Feels like making people happy with a dead bird... I feel like that a bit after hearing all these things that were incorrect. You do wonder what kind of crap this guy is telling to people at the gala dinner tonight. #help

MR

I told you this would happen a few weeks ago when you asked people what questions you should ask the representative. :roll eyes:

You were wasting your time, just like I predicted.

[MR.]

Originally Posted by mofomat

I told you this would happen a few weeks ago when you asked people what questions you should ask the representative. :roll eyes:

You were wasting your time, just like I predicted.

I like wasting time on my next car... It is called a hobby fueled by passion.

MR