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      06-12-2018, 04:32 PM   #2003
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I can only imagine what it is going to cost and how hard it will be to get an allocation. If it is anywhere near what I think it is going to cost. I'd rather go straight to the Porsche dealer and get a clean low mileage cpo Cayman GT4.
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      06-13-2018, 04:14 AM   #2004
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he only said there will be a csl with cage and no back seats limited edition
Highly unlikely we will see a roll cage in the CSL.
That would be out of concept, roll cages were intended for GTS Models.
And the GTS moniker is delayed for now...
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      06-13-2018, 10:30 AM   #2005
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Highly unlikely we will see a roll cage in the CSL.
That would be out of concept, roll cages were intended for GTS Models.
And the GTS moniker is delayed for now...
Didn’t FVM say the GTS name is now dead, now to be called CSL?
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      06-14-2018, 03:31 AM   #2006
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Didn’t FVM say the GTS name is now dead, now to be called CSL?
Yes, GTS replaced by CSL.
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Ergo we should see a roll cage in a M2 CSL
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      06-14-2018, 06:53 AM   #2008
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If they are completely fool they will introduce carbon roof almost as optional....
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      06-14-2018, 09:11 AM   #2009
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Ergo we should see a roll cage in a M2 CSL
I am sure the marketing department is really excited... they would have another " first ever" model to announce.


The " first ever " M2 competition !!!

The " first ever " M2 CS!!!

The " first ever " M2 CSL!!!



I am sure we will next hear BMW press reports of exactly how many " first ever " vehicles they will have launched in 2018 and 2019..
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      06-16-2018, 03:41 PM   #2010
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Hopefully this M2 CS launches in 2019 or 2020...
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      06-18-2018, 10:47 PM   #2011
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Looks like BMW M is busy with a different project.

M4 GTS on steroids.
https://www.carscoops.com/2018/06/ha...edition-works/


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      06-19-2018, 07:23 AM   #2012
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Looks like BMW M is busy with a different project.
M4 GTS on steroids.
https://www.carscoops.com/2018/06/ha...edition-works/
[PICTURE]
No reason they can't make an M4 CSL.
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      06-20-2018, 04:18 PM   #2013
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Looks like BMW M is busy with a different project.

M4 GTS on steroids.
https://www.carscoops.com/2018/06/ha...edition-works/
[PICTURE]
Is that really a M Division development car?

Wouldn’t it be camouflaged up if it was ?
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      06-20-2018, 05:22 PM   #2014
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Is that really a M Division development car?

Wouldn’t it be camouflaged up if it was ?
Per Jason it is... although the silence since his post stating that has been ... umm.. deafening..

See the comments in the thread.


https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1507445
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      06-21-2018, 05:17 AM   #2015
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I really don't see the point of building an M2 CSL/GTS or any other more expensive BMW M2.

Why?

The M4 GTS was also to expensive for a BMW and people rather buy porsche GT3 for the same sort of money!

If you look on the internet many GTS are standing around at the dealer.
On Mobile.de you can find lots of BMW GTS cars. Just too expensive to use as a trackday car and with so many standing around it's no collectors car also.

The same will happen with M2 CSL/GTS if porsche comes with the new GT4. For the same money most people will buy the new porsche GT4.

M2 CSL will be too expensive to build and will go to M4 GTS prizes and standing unsold around at dealers.

And now with all the performance parts available you can build your own M2 CSL

The choice that BMW made the performance carbon parts available i think the M2 CSL will not happen anymore. I think it's a good choice to do it this way.

I also rather buy an M2 and build my own than pay extreme premium for a M2 CSL or GTS which is for most also a car you won't run on track anymore because it's too expensive to take the risk with it!

BMW just needs to offer a good base car from you can you start to build your own fun/track car. And with the M2 they did just that and it's perfect!

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I agree an M2 CSL will probably be about $100K and too expensive for what the car is. What new Porsche do you think would be better at that price range? Looking for a PDK equipped Porsche.
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      06-25-2018, 09:51 AM   #2017
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If the price of an M2 CS is $90K, I think I will be all over it. $100K or more, probably not.
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      07-16-2018, 01:10 AM   #2018
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  • It would be reasonable to expect the US-only M2 Racing (new Spec class?) to appear in early 2020 and the worldwide M2 CSL - in mid-2020 as MY2021, for a one year run.
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Interesting. Is there every any history of production variants spinning off from these? M235i racing for example didn't yield anything at all.

If this is the case maybe the end of the line in near.

Haha, nope there will be more variants, expecially with a few years to go.....just depends if these are special paint and cosmetic variants or genuine upgrades.

M2 5 Jahre Edition?
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      07-16-2018, 06:20 AM   #2020
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Hmm, might just keep those deposits down after all!
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      07-17-2018, 08:36 PM   #2021
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Hmm, might just keep those deposits down after all!
I still have my deposit in. March 2016. Still hoping it turns into
something that I want, but I got something to play with during the wait.
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      07-18-2018, 05:00 PM   #2022
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Interesting. Is there every any history of production variants spinning off from these? M235i racing for example didn't yield anything at all.

If this is the case maybe the end of the line in near.

Haha, nope there will be more variants, expecially with a few years to go.....just depends if these are special paint and cosmetic variants or genuine upgrades.

M2 5 Jahre Edition?
?? they made an M235... and then an M235 I Racing was homologated... and I believe an M performance parts catalog is available for the 2er..

BMW made an entire race series from this car.. and now models have been adapted for racing in series like the Pirelli World Challenge...


it seems like the M235 racing is getting old though...

https://www.autoblog.com/2013/12/17/...icial-details/ it was first announced in 2013..


so maybe an M2 racing will be next... ? the cars have to be nearing the end of the time that they can be in that series..


http://www.motorsportsdevelopmentgro...challenge.html


" Homologation of Vehicles:

In addition to the general series rules that apply to all homologated vehicles, each vehicle model that is homologated into the Pirelli World Challenge Series has a set of specifications assigned to it on a Vehicle Technical Specification sheet (VTS) in order to give equivalent overall performance capabilities to a wide range of vehicles. Adjustments to a vehicle's VTS sheet will be made until a competitive package is developed. Vehicles may be submitted for homologation up to a year before it goes on general sale to the public, and until that particular body style goes out of production throughout the world "


Eligibility:

Cars that have been homologated for competition in the Pirelli World Challenge Series are eligible for a full-year of competition from the time it is homologated, until that particular body style has been out of production throughout the world for four (4) years. After a body style has been out of production for four (4) years, it may continue to compete in no more than five (5) races total with a single driver, for an additional three (3) years
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Seems to me that the M235 is no longer available.. the BMW M240 came out in the 2017 model year.. That would start a 4 year time clock beginning with whenever the last production M235 was made.. .. and the maximum any car can be run in the series is 7 years after it is no longer available for sale.


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It would be reasonable to expect the US-only M2 Racing (new Spec class?) to appear in early 2020 and the worldwide M2 CSL - in mid-2020 as MY2021, for a one year run.

SO... if the M235 ended production in say.. May 2016.. counting forward . 2017.. 2018.. 2019.. eligibility for Pirelli World Challenge would end Calendar Year 2020...

That matches up with the info we have seen on a possible M2 racing.. and of course.. any model that comes out for homologation would have to be actually produced within a calendar year... so a homologation could NOT be done on a standard M2.. it would have to be based on either the M2 competition or an all new model like an M240 racing or M2 (Comp) racing... Producing a model in the final calendar year of the model run would allow the M2 racing to be run in Pirelli World Challenge well into the early 2020s.


Edit.

M3 CS production ends this summer 2018.

M4 CS production will end no later than 06/19 (a full year before the scheduled EOP for the standard M4).

Sure leaves a nice opportunity for an M2 CSL to lead the way ..

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      07-31-2018, 10:28 AM   #2023
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CAR magazine UK has just published their review of the M2 Competition, the final line reads:

'It's a sure-fire future classic (unless you want to hold on for the two-seat M2 GTS in the works, of course).'
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CAR magazine UK has just published their review of the M2 Competition, the final line reads:

'It's a sure-fire future classic (unless you want to hold on for the two-seat M2 GTS in the works, of course).'
GTS is the proper name. I don't see how they can honestly look in the mirror and use the word CSL on an M2, but ///Marketing will happen.
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