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Here on this side of the country we have a lot of half mile events and some of the most famous road tracks this side of the US aside from California. Chicago ,Boston,New York City, including all the big cities from WashingtonDC down to Florida and Texas,a lot of M owners will tell you whether they drive the half mile,autox ,1/4 mile or Roadrace. I do not know much about what goes on in your town of Seattle. Right now there is going to big a big half mile event in New Orleams. Go check out how many “M” s you see! When I look at this link I sure do see more cars drag racing than road racing and putting out enormous power http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...ght=Pure+turbo Bottom line Ms and RS3s are also great cars for drag racing with the edge going to the RS3 for traction
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"Bottom line," dragging a proper M car is like using a wrench to drive in a nail. It works, but it is not what the wrench was made for.
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That’s way more of a trackcar than an M as are Lambos,Ferrari’s and Porsche’s used in the aforementioned race categories. Folks are open to different things with sports cars. And you bet your ass when the manufacturer builds them they test them in drag situations to get quarter mile times,time from 0 to 100 mph and so forth. So I really think your thoughts are appreciated but not everyone feels like you! You want a race car then gut the interior of your M and throw out the radio ,AC ,interior and all the other luxuries and put in a race seat,fire extinguishers,roll cage and the works. There is your track car. Or just get an E30M3 and do the same. Again RS3 cool car for straight line. So thank God your thoughts are not the law That’s the Bottom line!
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Of course my thoughts are not "the law." Do not know what that would even mean. But they reflect the genesis, the original purpose, of the M brand. And I'm all for that original purpose.
If it were not for the M2, I would have left BMW. The car isn't perfect, but it's the closest thing left to that original M mission, by a long shot. Which never included dragging, bottom line. |
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Let's just hope that there are a few good men left at BMW who disagree with you, and will keep the mission alive. Because, despite what you say, it's not dead yet.
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For decades and decades BMWs are very very popular cars @ Nürburgring. Audis not so much. Same goes for trackdays overhere in EU. Cheers Robin |
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Seems odd that instead of celebrating modern technology the RS3 gets bashed. Looks are subjective, design is not exactly bmw's current strong point. Enjoy the cars, be it the M2, Rs3 or Porsche, no need to be apologetic and defensive about the M cars.
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My buddy has an RS3, it’s a very nice car. All around good car that is fast, comfortable, great fit and finish, and AWD. APR just released a stage 1 chip for the car too, seeing some huge gains so far with that (especially with e85). That said, I still like my car more. Fun factor, looks, exhaust note, all things I like better on the M2. Of course I’m bias and opinions of course differ, but I wouldn’t trade my car for the RS3. But I sure as hell appreciate the type of car it is, a beast.
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If you guys think an Audi is more fun than an M car, you don't drive your cars. Go for a canyon run and call me back. Be careful not to understeer off a cliff in the RS3.
No really though; these cars just PLOW. That isn't fun. I am not even talking track driving. I am talking onramps, twisties, etc. It's terrible. I much prefer the look, interior, and motor of the RS3. But it has the wrong transmission and FWD based AWD. No thanks. I have owned an S4 and won't go back. Extremely capable cars with amazing winter grip and forward acceleration but that's it.
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Do I like the M better for other reasons,Yes! Do I see more Ms at all different track events perhaps more than Audi,Yes! Do I like the RS3 Yes you bet! Also like the TTRS. I don’t think it’s about more fun or less fun than an M car. FACTs is that the RS3 is faster in a straight line and can be modded to run faster n a straight line than an M car for cheaper. A lot of folks will like that. The RS3 has a following,is grabbing attention and is selling. Whether One likes the look of the M better or RS3 better is irrelevant in that aspect as far as straight line performance is concerned. It is also a persons right to like what they like. Sometimes as a BMW forum member or fan we can forget that. I’m a car enthusiast and BMW fan but can appreciate this little Audi based on what I see it’s capable of doing in the 1/2 and 1/4 mile. Still in all this little Audi has impressive straight line performance. The data shows that.
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does it turn like the m2? no. exterior also goes to the m2 imo. but everything else is better on the rs3. quickness, sound, interior, all weather driving, electronic goodies like virtual cockpit, seats 5 grown people, CHEAPER (in canada) etc. audi went hard on pricing here. it's crazy the value this car presents. i think it's probably the cheapest RS3 in the world. canadians win, for once. with that said, i've love to own an m2 as well for weekend driving since i need to haul a babyseat most days to drop off the little one at school. |
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I dunno. That's what S4 owners told me about the S4, even going as far to say that it was more fun than the previous gen RS4 in terms of handling dynamics. So obviously I'll remain skeptical. Nose is not much lighter. And the platform is inherently broken in its setup. It's also FWD based vs S4 torsen RWD bias. I already gave the RS3 the advantage in winter and for straight line speed. But it's a second car for me at best. I'd rather have a competent beater. You're right about it being cheaper. Fully loaded it was $6K cheaper for me when I had a deposit on the RS3 vs my 2018 M2. BTW virtual cockpit is such a bad idea. There is a reason Bugatti doesn't have one. All that overly virtual laggy shit is going to look like such garbage in 5 years. If I could have ordered my M2 without a nav I would have. But thank god it has analogue gauges.
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FWD-biased AWD and 255 rubber on the front with 235 on the rear will do that. It's called physics.
I drove an RS3 a couple of weeks ago. Was really wanting to like it, too, since AWD would be a nice to have during our Rocky Mountain winters. I could not get over just how heavy the RS3 felt in turns, and the throttle response/turbo lag was much more noticeable than I expected. Little sucker was indeed surprisingly fast in a straight line though. M2C now on order
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I've never seen a reverse stagger setup from a factory but 255 front and 235 rear should definitely encourage more oversteer.
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The 2018 RS3 is a very fast car, with the APR stage 1 OTS E85 map the car is putting out 470awhp. Bone stock except with software upgrade and e85 the car is running high 10's/low 11's at almost 130mph. 0-60 in the 3.1-3.2 sec range. APR is coming out with a downpipe soon too that will put the car over 500awhp. That said, I still love my M2, wouldnt trade it for the RS3. Sounds better, more fun to drive, and I like the looks better (imho of course). At the price point, it's probably the fastest sedan out there.
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