[King_Slayer]

Has anyone compared a 6speed M2 and manual 240? To see differences? All I ever see is dct vs auto (whatever the tranny in the 240 is called)

[gmzanatta]

Originally Posted by King_Slayer

Has anyone compared a 6speed M2 and manual 240? To see differences? All I ever see is dct vs auto (whatever the tranny in the 240 is called)

I'm curious about this too, especially on how the throws and clutch feel between the two compare.

[AngryBaby]

Originally Posted by StephanieDiane

My post was in no way meant to be condescending. The idea of millenials never even entered my mind. I should have been more specific in that I was referring to women, and my friends consider me an oddball because I like cars. I don't think it is presumptuous to make a *general* statement that usually women are not as interested in cars as men. I'm not saying they are not interested at all; I am saying the interest level is usually lower.

I apologize if I offended anyone.

You're fine! Everyone else needs to chill. So damn sensitive...

[akkando]

Originally Posted by mangofreshh

How many friends do you have that are below 30...And among them, how well do you know them on a deeper level to know their interests? Sounds very presumptuous...

I know many people that are younger and older than me. But unless I was close friends with them, or had a meaningful conversation, I would have never found out their interests if I hadn't had a real conversation with them.

It probably also depends on what part of the world these young people live in and their background. Tech 20 somethings in the North California Bay Area are probably less interested in fun cars than maybe 20 somethings in Orange County South California. 20 somethings in NYC are taking the subway and vehicles are not even on their radar.

[Dav3]

Originally Posted by SeanWRT

For those who think 240 is faster from 150kph - simply not true, we've done a few tests here.

M2 stock does 100-200 in 10.5 sec, 140/240 11ish. Constantly. 98RON.

DCT makes huge difference.

Consider the video I posted, the 5% speedo error and the full tank... I think they're very very close

When I have some time I will try to drag the m240i with the m2 6mt side by side and see who's faster

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by lop00

Consider the video I posted, the 5% speedo error and the full tank... I think they're very very close

When I have some time I will try to drag the m240i with the m2 6mt side by side and see who's faster

Here is a video of an M2 vs an M240i on the road side by side.
Caution: Long video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cphuMPNcdTY

[qnet]

Originally Posted by StephanieDiane

I can see how this could be read by someone younger than myself as insulting which was not the intent, so I am apologizing for the poor wording on my part. The purpose was to lament that, as a female, I have not, in my own personal experience, met anyone younger who has any interest in cars. The only people I do know are older males. Personal observation. I would be thrilled to find people whose eyes don't glaze over when I bring up the subject.




This is absolutely true. As a woman who is about to turn 37 (which is so, so painful), I don't know a single person younger than I am who cares anything about cars, or *knows* anything about cars.

As for any comparisons between the 2 series and M2, I'm one of those people going from an M235 into an M2 for no better reason than I just really want one. I'm going to cry on the inside for 4.5s about the financial loss I'll take, and then I'm going to drive the hell out of it because I love fast cars.

If you ever see me in a Prius, I've been kidnapped. Please call the police.

That's my reasoning on getting a M2 and trading my M235i. I'm still wrestling with the idea but leaning toward keeping my M235i for a little while.

I saw an M2 in the parking lot at my job and that just rekindled my interest. This is only the third M2 I've seen in person, and the first one I've seen that wasn't at my HPDE last year.

[AndyinHou]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

Here is a video of an M2 vs an M240i on the road side by side.
Caution: Long video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cphuMPNcdTY

The side-by-sides start around 37 minutes in - and that was pretty shocking!

[Aronis]

Originally Posted by StephanieDiane

If you ever see me in a Prius, I've been kidnapped. Please call the police.

That made my day!

Mike

[Aronis]

Originally Posted by mangofreshh

You haven't shared your data. I've shared automakers moves implementing this no value carplay into their line up.

Another troll down.

Consider this.

If you look at some less pricy cars which the option of CarPlay vs paying extra for the Navigation system (I.E. Toyota or Honda) the CarPlay is a FANTASTIC DEAL! You get a fully functional navigation system (via your iPhone) and don't get killed on the depreciation of the Navigation System that is 'built in'. I was amazed at this. I was looking at getting my son a Toyota Corolla or Honda Civic, and the added cost of adding Nav was about $1200 or more on each car (based on how you spec'ed out the car). If you lease the car you eat 100% of that extra cost (sure if you buy it then potentially having the Nav may augment your selling price later - in a private sale only - the dealer will always low ball you on a trade). So for me it was a no brainer, CarPlay was the way to go.

From what I have read here (I don't have CarPlay in my 'Old' M2) but many have had negative comments on it. Not all the manufactures implement such functions well. Remember the first iPod Integrations? BMW and Honda (if I recall) lead the way and there were problems. At least today CarPlay functionality is 100% software and can be updated, while the early iPod adapters were firmware and could not be easily modified.

For $300 it's hardly worth typing about it. Just don't use if if you don't like it. If it were $1200 maybe worth the digital ink to discuss it!

Mike

by the way //M CarPlay is probably better than non-M CarPlay.

[Aronis]

Originally Posted by gmzanatta

But unlike you, we had the unfortunate luck of being born during the worst financial era the world has seen,

Really?

:LOL:

Every generation thinks they are living in 'the end times.'

Mike

[IS+1]

Originally Posted by StephanieDiane

Wow, I apologized and I'm not going to get into it with you. Due to my work, I do know all age groups and I do spend time talking about interests, so you shouldn't presume anything about my experience. It doesn't matter what the previous poster's specifics were. Saying I agree doesn't mean every single word of his statement was also my own. You can agree and expound. It's called a conversation.

Done. I came to make a comment that wasn't meant to insult anyone, and I have apologized for my mistake. I have nothing further to say to you.

To echo a few others, I think you were well within reason to make the comments that you did. They were simply your observations, and you wanted to share your frustrations about a situation you perceive to be true based on your experiences.

It's true, very few women truly care about cars and driving beyond a superficial level (I'm not saying none, but few)... anyone who has been to an autocross event or an HPDE and scanned the participant list knows this. This is not an insult, it's just fact. I wish this were not the case. I wish my wife was into cars like me. I can understand your frustration as a woman trying to find other women who share your interests. Even when I talk to the average guy about cars outside of a car-related event, they are not interested and know very little.

So don't apologize for anything. I happen to share your opinion. At least forums like this exist so those of us who do have a love of cars have some place to go.

Cheers.

[Bluenose-2er]

Originally Posted by AndyinHou

The side-by-sides start around 37 minutes in - and that was pretty shocking!

Not shocking at all... the cars are close enough that handicapping the M2 with a crap driver with an extra 200lb slab of meat does the trick.

[zenmaster]

Hockenheim Short Lap Times

M4 GTS 1:09.60
M4 Comp 1:11.90
M2 1:12.20
M4 1:12.80
1M 1:14.10
M140xdrive 1:14.60
M240i 1:15.00

[rod.bearings]

B58 > N55 but M2 > 240i in design, suspension and handling.

[Kung Fu English]

The reason the 240 and then the m3/4 leases are so much more attractive is not just the residuals but the discounts off msrp.

Since the absolute residual value is calculated as % of msrp, any discounts off msrp are straight 100% carried over to the cost of leasing.

So if the total cost of leasing (msrp - rv) is 20k, then you get 7k off msrp, you only pay 13k over 36 months instead of 20. Which is 30% savings on lease payment for 12% reduction in price. Savings are amplified because lease.

With no discounts available and low rv the m2 just won't lease well.

I got my m3 for 69k from a 77k msrp. So it's a 22k more (msrp based) or 15k more expensive car (total cost) than an m2 but my monthly payment is probably the same (800/mo).

But when my lease is done my buy out will almost be the same as buying a new m2 lol. So that stinks for me. But I need the 4 doors and room for kids

[Powaup]

You can get a great discount on an m240 easily. Harder on thé M2. You can lease an M240i. Can't lease an M2.

I would rather have an M2 don't get me wrong but the M240 has it's merits

[qballis]

Originally Posted by Powaup

You can get a great discount on an m240 easily. Harder on thé M2. You can lease an M240i. Can't lease an M2.

I would rather have an M2 don't get me wrong but the M240 has it's merits

This is wrong. You 100% CAN lease an M2. Residuals are just awful.

[drexplode]

Originally Posted by gregzimm

I have seen a few posts about comparing the M240i and the M2. Here is my comparison of similarly configured M240i and M2. I tried to make this as apples to apples comparison as possible. If you add the options to the M240i that are standard on the M2, the M240i build list price is higher. But, you can negotiate a discount on the M240i and you can't on the M2. You can also lower the cost of the M240i by removing options which you can't on the M2.

M2

• $52,500 Base Price
• $700 Long Beach Blue
• $995 Destination
• $1,400 Executive Package
• $300 Apple CarPlay
• $55,895 Total

M240i

• $44,450 M240i Base
• $700 Estoril Blue
• $995 Destination
• $1,450 Black Dakota Leather
• $700 Cold Weather
• $950 Driving Assistance Package
• $700 Driving Assistance Plus
• $1,950 Navigation Package
• $500 Wireless Charging WiFi Hotspot
• $300 Apple CarPlay
• $875 Harman Kardon Sound System
• $2,500 Limited Slip Differential
• $56,070 Total

Here is what you get on the M2 that you don't with the M240i for the same money.

• 30 more horsepower
• M-tuned exhaust quad tailpipes (One of the best sounding standard "M" exhausts)
• Track-ready cooling system
• More aggressive body styling with flared fenders
• M-developed electric power steering with Servotronic
• Lightweight front and rear subframe
• Aluminum suspension control arms and wheel carriers
• Twin-tube gas-pressure shock absorbers
• Brakes from the M4
• Electronic LSD versus the mechanical LSD on the M240i
• 19" wheels with Michelon Pilot Super Sports versus 18" run-flats or $0 cost all-season tires
• 14-way power front seats with 4-way lumber versus 4-way power and 2-way side bolsters in the M240i
• Alcantara and blue stitching interior treatments
• M gauges

Let me know if I have missed any differences between the cars.

M240 has adaptive suspension. Must have for those that live in states with less than optimal roads.

I sold my m2 because the ride quality in Michigan at 50f weather was less than ideal for me. Picked up a m240i almost to your exact specs including LSD - couldn't be happier including my wallet. 61k MSRP, monthly lease is $650 including tax with first months payment down only. M2 was financed through FS at 890/mo for 60mos.

[1SerieStud]

M cars have M differentials (mechanical) = LSD; non-M cars have open differentials and use the brakes to mimic an LSD.

[Aronis]

Originally Posted by qballis

This is wrong. You 100% CAN lease an M2. Residuals are just awful.

I had choice of lease or buy, buying was a better option, but the lease was not a bad lease compared to others I have had.

Mike

[Fugly M3]

Here's the big difference:

Take 10 M240i owners. I bet at least 9 of them would rather have an M2.

Take 10 M2 owners. I bet at least 9 of them would rather not have an M240i.