Who's the best M2 engine tuner?

ashburyn54 · 03-14-2017, 07:48 PM

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You can see here. This is with almost zero adaptation in very cold weather so the targets are lower ECU psi wise. HPFP is the top red line. It's like a different tune now lol

What are your settings like?

EWG 11 beta test 3. Off the top of my head All my settings are default except for :

Boost Safety:21
Auto shift Boost:0(6mt)
PiD gain:12
FOL:55 (looks like I could run E30)hovers at 15-18

Future User A = 40

So this is largely a firmware and FUA effect.

MTWO · 03-15-2017, 05:16 AM

Best is subjective but Bootmod3 is taking the BMW F series by storm if you look around here, f30 and f80post. If you're considering a flash tune that's what I'd recommend as it gives you versatility and customization like no other so you don't feel stuck. The guys are awesome to work with and have the most experience flash tuning DI BMW engines than any flash tuner on here. They took the N55 1/4 mile record just recently as well if you check n54tech.com and if you want to add a JB to your setup they will work with you to configure it for meth or additional fueling. My 2c.

FSociety · 03-15-2017, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MTWO

Best is subjective but Bootmod3 is taking the BMW F series by storm if you look around here, f30 and f80post. If you're considering a flash tune that's what I'd recommend as it gives you versatility and customization like no other so you don't feel stuck. The guys are awesome to work with and have the most experience flash tuning DI BMW engines than any flash tuner on here. They took the N55 1/4 mile record just recently as well if you check n54tech.com and if you want to add a JB to your setup they will work with you to configure it for meth or additional fueling. My 2c.

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Originally Posted by ashburyn54

EWG 11 beta test 3. Off the top of my head All my settings are default except for
Boost Safety:21
Auto shift Boost:0(6mt)
PiD gain:12
FOL:55 (looks like I could run E30)hovers at 15-18

Future User A = 40

So this is largely a firmware and FUA effect.

Why Beta test 3? Looks like Terry released the Official EWG11 on the thread.

ashburyn54 · 03-15-2017, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by FSociety

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Originally Posted by ashburyn54

EWG 11 beta test 3. Off the top of my head All my settings are default except for :

Boost Safety:21
Auto shift Boost:0(6mt)
PiD gain:12
FOL:55 (looks like I could run E30)hovers at 15-18

Future User A = 40

So this is largely a firmware and FUA effect.

Why Beta test 3? Looks like Terry released the Official EWG11 on the thread.

This is what I was running after testing the first EWG 11. I wanted to compare logs directly after my meth install.

FSociety · 03-15-2017, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ashburyn54

This is what I was running after testing the first EWG 11. I wanted to compare logs directly after my meth install.

Upgrading to latest 11 ?
Do you have any map4 of the current fw ?

ashburyn54 · 03-15-2017, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by FSociety

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This is what I was running after testing the first EWG 11. I wanted to compare logs directly after my meth install.

Upgrading to latest 11 ?
Do you have any map4 of the current fw ?

This is map 4 before I got the throttle locked in. Duty Cycle setting via FUA has a huge effect on it. This isn't the standard EWG11. I'll ask terry if I should change over. I'll log and will send it to you

FSociety · 03-15-2017, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ashburyn54

This is map 4 before I got the throttle locked in. Duty Cycle setting via FUA has a huge effect on it. This isn't the standard EWG11. I'll ask terry if I should change over. I'll log and will send it to you

Awesome man thx, you're like the only guy with a single clue on M2 & JB4 across the forums lol. A friend of mine is not too happy of the lack of support he's gotten so I'm trying to help as much as possible.

ashburyn54 · 03-15-2017, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FSociety

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This is map 4 before I got the throttle locked in. Duty Cycle setting via FUA has a huge effect on it. This isn't the standard EWG11. I'll ask terry if I should change over. I'll log and will send it to you

Awesome man thx, you're like the only guy with a single clue on M2 & JB4 across the forums lol. A friend of mine is not too happy of the lack of support he's gotten so I'm trying to help as much as possible.

Yeah I've heard about some concerns with support. Terry has been nothing but amazing with me these last couple months. I'll get that over to you as soon as I can

FSociety · 03-15-2017, 09:35 PM

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Yeah I've heard about some concerns with support. Terry has been nothing but amazing with me these last couple months. I'll get that over to you as soon as I can

Appreciate it !

Do you have this menu?

SeanWRT · 03-15-2017, 09:37 PM

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Yeah I've heard about some concerns with support. Terry has been nothing but amazing with me these last couple months. I'll get that over to you as soon as I can

Will BMS release m2 maps or even a specific box?

ashburyn54 · 03-15-2017, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FSociety

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Yeah I've heard about some concerns with support. Terry has been nothing but amazing with me these last couple months. I'll get that over to you as soon as I can

Appreciate it !

Do you have this menu?

I'm on JB4 mobile for iOS so I don't :/

ashburyn54 · 03-15-2017, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanWRT

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Yeah I've heard about some concerns with support. Terry has been nothing but amazing with me these last couple months. I'll get that over to you as soon as I can

Will BMS release m2 maps or even a specific box?

Maybe specific firmware or settings. New Hardware isn't needed as far I know. The f series JB4 board is powerful and can deal with fairly large changes.

FSociety · 03-16-2017, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanWRT

Will BMS release m2 maps or even a specific box?

Almost a year since people have been asking for a M2 specific firmware; a lot of them moved on to other tunes such BM3 for the most part others are scared and awaiting for more results and unfortunately doesn't seem to be enough ppl in the F87 platform wanting to be a guinea pig.

So yes the same F-series EWG N55 jb4 works on M2 as well, but until now there was not a firmware that actually reads stock map4 correctly where Boost was over target and they were saying M2/X4 had a factory flaw

My last email with BMS was in Oct with them saying "IT's going to do what it does, don't have any addl advice for you on it." And that was it for me, 7 months of pure waste.

Now ashburyn54 has been slowly progressing with BMS it seems and we can see a little time and dedication after months and months of losing M2 customers will do?

Not to bash anything, Jb4 seems to do a great job in other cars when it wants to work. While looking at my 93 dyno graph (dynojet) my jb4 adds power until 5200-5500rpm and falls harder than where stock has better power/torque after 5500rpm curve. Not to mention AFR are 13.0 at 6k rpm and stock is 12.1 go figure.

SeanWRT · 03-16-2017, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by FSociety

Almost a year since people have been asking for a M2 specific firmware; a lot of them moved on to other tunes such BM3 for the most part others are scared and awaiting for more results and unfortunately doesn't seem to be enough ppl in the F87 platform wanting to be a guinea pig.

So yes the same F-series EWG N55 jb4 works on M2 as well, but until now there was not a firmware that actually reads stock map4 correctly where Boost was over target and they were saying M2/X4 had a factory flaw

My last email with BMS was in Oct with them saying "IT's going to do what it does, don't have any addl advice for you on it." And that was it for me, 7 months of pure waste.

Now ashburyn54 has been slowly progressing with BMS it seems and we can see a little time and dedication after months and months of losing M2 customers will do?

Not to bash anything, Jb4 seems to do a great job in other cars when it wants to work. While looking at my 93 dyno graph (dynojet) my jb4 adds power until 5200-5500rpm and falls harder than where stock has better power/torque after 5500rpm curve. Not to mention AFR are 13.0 at 6k rpm and stock is 12.1 go figure. and saw the AFR and jb4 is 13.0 at 6k rpm where stock is 12.1

Thank you FSociety. I can see you're one of those who've put serious work into N55B30T0 platform. It's kinda sad it's been a year and we don't have proven results from piggyback yet and not that we even know anybody is working on it...In fact, it bugs me a little bit or a lot, we have to resort to flash option to purse serious power, where N55 of T0 and M0 make no difference viewed thru the eyes of tuners.

I have a couple of m2 friends having bad experience with flash here (none of them are BM3). The rest is using N55 generic JB4 and JB+. Below is a log of a stock m2 with IC using a JB4 custom map, boost holds well and ignition is fine with good IAT, though AFR reads lean. What's the negative effect from that in your opinion?

ashburyn54 · 03-16-2017, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanWRT

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Originally Posted by FSociety

Almost a year since people have been asking for a M2 specific firmware; a lot of them moved on to other tunes such BM3 for the most part others are scared and awaiting for more results and unfortunately doesn't seem to be enough ppl in the F87 platform wanting to be a guinea pig.

So yes the same F-series EWG N55 jb4 works on M2 as well, but until now there was not a firmware that actually reads stock map4 correctly where Boost was over target and they were saying M2/X4 had a factory flaw

My last email with BMS was in Oct with them saying "IT's going to do what it does, don't have any addl advice for you on it." And that was it for me, 7 months of pure waste.

Now ashburyn54 has been slowly progressing with BMS it seems and we can see a little time and dedication after months and months of losing M2 customers will do?

Not to bash anything, Jb4 seems to do a great job in other cars when it wants to work. While looking at my 93 dyno graph (dynojet) my jb4 adds power until 5200-5500rpm and falls harder than where stock has better power/torque after 5500rpm curve. Not to mention AFR are 13.0 at 6k rpm and stock is 12.1 go figure. and saw the AFR and jb4 is 13.0 at 6k rpm where stock is 12.1

Thank you FSociety. I can see you're one of those who've put serious work into N55B30T0 platform. It's kinda sad it's been a year and we don't have proven results from piggyback yet and not that we even know anybody is working on it...In fact, it bugs me a little bit or a lot, we have to resort to flash option to purse serious power, where N55 of T0 and M0 make no difference viewed thru the eyes of tuners.

I have a couple of m2 friends having bad experience with flash here (none of them are BM3). The rest is using N55 generic JB4 and JB+. Below is a log of a stock m2 with IC using a JB4 custom map, ignition is fine with good IAT, though AFR reads lean. What's the negative effect from that in your opinion?

Is that 2nd, 3rd, 4th? The HPFP and timing/throttle is probably due to traction in 2nd. 3rd your timing looks good. Also this car stock run from around 14-14.5 down low to as low as 12:2-11:8:1 ish up top. Doesn't look lean to me but I'm also not looking at the data.

JB4 pretty much targets your stock AFR's and has some fuel enrichment abilities if it needs to add fuel but it will pretty much stay around stock.

If that middle curve is third that log looks really solid. Almost 100% throttle the whole time. The boost curve in 4th looking a little aggressive and you have some timing correction there. What fuel?

SeanWRT · 03-16-2017, 11:08 PM

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Is that 2nd, 3rd, 4th? The HPFP and timing/throttle is probably due to traction in 2nd. 3rd your timing looks good. Also this car stock run from around 14-14.5 down low to as low as 12:2-11:8:1 ish up top. Doesn't look lean to me but I'm also not looking at the data.

JB4 pretty much targets your stock AFR's and has some fuel enrichment abilities if it needs to add fuel but it will pretty much stay around stock.

If that middle curve is third that log looks really solid. Almost 100% throttle the whole time. The boost curve in 4th looking a little aggressive and you have some timing correction there. What fuel?

It actually is 3 4 5. And the log is pretty consistent. The car runs 9.1~9.4 from 100-200kph.

Edit: fuel is 98RON

ashburyn54 · 03-17-2017, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SeanWRT

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Is that 2nd, 3rd, 4th? The HPFP and timing/throttle is probably due to traction in 2nd. 3rd your timing looks good. Also this car stock run from around 14-14.5 down low to as low as 12:2-11:8:1 ish up top. Doesn't look lean to me but I'm also not looking at the data.

JB4 pretty much targets your stock AFR's and has some fuel enrichment abilities if it needs to add fuel but it will pretty much stay around stock.

If that middle curve is third that log looks really solid. Almost 100% throttle the whole time. The boost curve in 4th looking a little aggressive and you have some timing correction there. What fuel?

It actually is 3 4 5. And the log is pretty consistent. The car runs 9.1~9.4 from 100-200kph.

Edit: fuel is 98RON

Wow then that 3rd gear pull looks bumpy or something traction/load related is effecting it. Where did you get your Custom map 6 from? I'm thinking I'm going to build a linear boost map in map 6 with a tiny taper towards redline. I'll use that as my new map 1. I'll spray meth over it for an aggressive map.

I had a small boost leak this week that I fixed. The car was running around 10-12 psi but the timing was so beautiful I almost didn't mind. Everything was smooth and flat as possible. That let me know that with the right targets we can get this within range of BM3 smoothness. There's no substitute for a flash but I think if we keep hammering we can get close while having on the fly maps and all the fun benefits of JB4

FSociety · 03-19-2017, 12:17 PM

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Wow then that 3rd gear pull looks bumpy or something traction/load related is effecting it. Where did you get your Custom map 6 from? I'm thinking I'm going to build a linear boost map in map 6 with a tiny taper towards redline. I'll use that as my new map 1. I'll spray meth over it for an aggressive map.

I had a small boost leak this week that I fixed. The car was running around 10-12 psi but the timing was so beautiful I almost didn't mind. Everything was smooth and flat as possible. That let me know that with the right targets we can get this within range of BM3 smoothness. There's no substitute for a flash but I think if we keep hammering we can get close while having on the fly maps and all the fun benefits of JB4

Where was your boost leak ?

I noticed if i have jb4 mobile connected i won't see the FUD options, but when I got back home I saw them here.

I just selected bit0, bit1, nd bit7

ashburyn54 · 03-19-2017, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FSociety

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Wow then that 3rd gear pull looks bumpy or something traction/load related is effecting it. Where did you get your Custom map 6 from? I'm thinking I'm going to build a linear boost map in map 6 with a tiny taper towards redline. I'll use that as my new map 1. I'll spray meth over it for an aggressive map.

I had a small boost leak this week that I fixed. The car was running around 10-12 psi but the timing was so beautiful I almost didn't mind. Everything was smooth and flat as possible. That let me know that with the right targets we can get this within range of BM3 smoothness. There's no substitute for a flash but I think if we keep hammering we can get close while having on the fly maps and all the fun benefits of JB4

Where was your boost leak ?

I noticed if i have jb4 mobile connected i won't see the FUD options, but when I got back home I saw them here.

I just selected bit0, bit1, nd bit7

I installed a chargepipe and the lower chargepipe O-ring is a little small until it's hot. It's moved out of the groove and didn't seal. It's all fixed now. Yeah I'm curious about all these bit options now

BAN_M2C · 03-20-2017, 06:02 PM

Subscribed.. I have been reading for a while and have yet tuned because nothing out there has convinced me of working 100% with no quirks or issues.

FSociety · 03-22-2017, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ashburyn54

I installed a chargepipe and the lower chargepipe O-ring is a little small until it's hot. It's moved out of the groove and didn't seal. It's all fixed now. Yeah I'm curious about all these bit options now

I tried bit0, bit1, bit3 for FUD=11 and even did FUA=40
my Map4 boost is still under DME_BT and Terry does not care so I will be forever done with this unless Steve helps.

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Subscribed.. I have been reading for a while and have yet tuned because nothing out there has convinced me of working 100% with no quirks or issues.

There's plenty of results of Bootmod3 on M2 already; the jb4 is the one lacking any real consistency. Its on here if you search you can find it.

Vyruz Reaper · 03-23-2017, 12:40 AM

I'm actually surprised at the lack of piggy's, tmap and ecu tunes for the m2. There are tons for the new b58 engine and my old 335 had tons of options.

I guess like everyone said- they maxed out the N55.

I love my b58 engine - you think BMW will put the b58 into the m2 anytime in the future?

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Vyruz Reaper Reverse Homer 151 Rep 1,064 Posts Drives: ///M240i Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sunny SoCal iTrader: (6)	I'm actually surprised at the lack of piggy's, tmap and ecu tunes for the m2. There are tons for the new b58 engine and my old 335 had tons of options. I guess like everyone said- they maxed out the N55. I love my b58 engine - you think BMW will put the b58 into the m2 anytime in the future?
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