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      02-14-2017, 06:34 PM   #133
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Audi TT RS v Mercedes-AMG A45 v Ford Focus RS | Ultimate all-weather Audi TT RS review | Autocar



AMG A45 beats the TTRS on a tight paved wet course.
Wrong and biased review the ttrs will destroy and wreck the A45 simply it lost because it had summer tires while the A45 has winters.
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      02-15-2017, 12:12 AM   #134
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Wrong and biased review the ttrs will destroy and wreck the A45 simply it lost because it had summer tires while the A45 has winters.
It is just a stupid test in general, not like anyone will use those rally-type dirt roads on $70,000 luxury sport cars...
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A guy from Puerto Rico and a guy from S.Arabia mentioning the difference between summer and wintertyres. LOL!
We don't know the outside/asphalt temperature in that video, only that it's partially(very) wet. And good summertyres will do a lot of good when let's say at +5 degrees Celsius. Been there done that.

Marketing strikes again

Wintertyres are best in snowy conditions, wet they will do the job but not like a good summertyre (that's why I have them on now no snow hahaha)



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AAAAND.......tadaaaaa....

Matt Saunders, the Autocar test bloke also replied in the YouTube comments below:

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Guys, why would anyone assume we'd go out of our way to put one car on performance tyres & another on winters & then pretend we were making a fair test? You think we've got time for that nonsense? All cars were on OE fit performance rubber (ie not winters) as supplied by their manufacturers.
So there you go.

Anybody wants some coffee?



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      02-15-2017, 03:44 AM   #137
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The whole tire debate aside, the sub-par chassis of the TTRS from this particular reviewer stood out to me. $70k USD would be so much better spent on a 718S. Unless, of course, you absolutely need a "backseat" for little people.
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From the Topgear twintest link( OP, first page) I'll mention it again:

page 21/22 from that test, utter utter nonsense if you ask me!
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It’s somehow less disappointing that the Audi has numb steering and over-servoed brakes, that it’s not particularly entertaining beyond the eye-drying quantity of its performance. Because it’s a TT. Be honest, it’s never the sharpest tool in the box, the TT. But this RS is the most entertaining one Audi’s ever built. Awkwardly, it’s still not got as sparkling a chassis as a fast Golf, with which it shares so much engineering. Weird.

That said, it’s not going to keep you coming back for more smiles as often as the best BMW to currently wear the ///M tricolore. The M2 is good enough to rise above forgone conclusion semantics. It is infectiously fun: part M-car throwback, part modern day hero. It doesn’t feel the most modern inside, or the most sophisticated an object, but driving a machine that aches for you to have a laugh will never go out of fashion.

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      02-15-2017, 06:46 AM   #139
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Robin, I think you nailed it. Thank you!

I thought about the TTRS in large part because of snow and the need for four seats. I do not despise the car or Audi, and bought an M2 b/c of reviews on this site and others.

Of course the $20kish price difference came into play. . .

And the M2 with Pirelli Extreme Contact all season tires is actually pretty good in snow and ice.
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Question:

For those that don't really track their car, is there a benefit to streering feel and chassis benefits from the M2? Just curious.

The TT is one entire second faster, from 0-62mph, it completely wrecks the M2, M4, Cayman S etc, in road, while looking the best from outside (subjective), sounding the best (not subjective, we all know it sounds better) and giving you a special feeling when you get in that cabin, whereas the M2, you get it and feel, welp, 2 series!

It is interesting, not having attractive seats, or the attractive version of CF (open pore looks cheap and many hate it), but feeling "wanting to come back" because of the fun.

Why doesn't BMW make a more luxury oriented compact, a la TT RS? Would the M2 CS increase in inside styling, as to be a COMPLETE PACKAGE?

Can't be that hard BMW!
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The TTRS is not a "complete package" either, of course, for reasons well discussed in this and other threads, not to mention several professional reviews.

It all depends on what you are looking for in a car. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

At this point, this is just trolling, and a waste of bandwidth. Go buy your dream car, and for heaven's sake get a new handle.
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The TTRS is not a "complete package" either, of course, for reasons well discussed in this and other threads, not to mention several professional reviews.

It all depends on what you are looking for in a car. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

At this point, this is just trolling, and a waste of bandwidth. Go buy your dream car, and for heaven's sake get a new handle.
I never said it was a complete package, it is the reason behind asking why BMW doesn't take the chance to make one. I never said it was, so dunno why you didn't grasp that.

Don't be rude.
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The TTRS is not a "complete package" either, of course, for reasons well discussed in this and other threads, not to mention several professional reviews.

It all depends on what you are looking for in a car. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

At this point, this is just trolling, and a waste of bandwidth. Go buy your dream car, and for heaven's sake get a new handle.
Before you keep spouting nonesense, picture this.

A $65,000 sports car with Audi TT RS-level interior and exhaust sound, M2 Grand Coupe chassis and suspension, manual transmission, OLED taillights. 400HP engine with 370lbs torque.

Name a better car...

Didn't think so!
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Before you keep spouting nonesense, picture this.

A $65,000 sports car with Audi TT RS-level interior and exhaust sound, M2 Grand Coupe chassis and suspension, manual transmission, OLED taillights. 400HP engine with 370lbs torque.

Name a better car...

Didn't think so!
That car does not exist, and won't, at least at that price point. Your fascination with OLED tailights continues to baffle me. Seriously? That's so important to you that you list it along with chassis, suspension and a stick? I'm not sure what "M2 Grand Coupe chassis and suspension" is in your mind, but I am perfectly happy with regular old M2 chassis and suspension, especially since I lowered the car a bit. In fact, as many reviewers point out, it's the chassis and suspension that are the best part of the M2. They are the reason the reviewer whose review started this thread preferred the M2, in fact.

"Rudeness" is in the eye of the beholder. Posting, over and over and over again--in only slightly different formulations--that you believe the TTRS is superior to (or "wrecks", to use your term) the M2, the CaymanS, etc. because you believe it has better exhaust sound, is faster in a straight line, and has a nicer interior--when you don't own any of those cars or the TTRS--is another version of rude.
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That car does not exist, and won't, at least at that price point. Your fascination with OLED tailights continues to baffle me. Seriously? That's so important to you that you list it along with chassis, suspension and a stick? I'm not sure what "M2 Grand Coupe chassis and suspension" is in your mind, but I am perfectly happy with regular old M2 chassis and suspension, especially since I lowered the car a bit. In fact, as many reviewers point out, it's the chassis and suspension that are the best part of the M2. They are the reason the reviewer whose review started this thread preferred the M2, in fact.

"Rudeness" is in the eye of the beholder. Posting, over and over and over again--in only slightly different formulations--that you believe the TTRS is superior to (or "wrecks", to use your term) the M2, the CaymanS, etc. because you believe it has better exhaust sound, is faster in a straight line, and has a nicer interior--when you don't own any of those cars or the TTRS--is another version of rude.
OLED: Have you seen the lights from the M4 GTS? Gorgeous. The lights of the 2 series, 3 series and even 4 series, all meh, boring, nothing special. I'm talking about a car where everything is special.

Suspension and chassis: Super simple. You like the M2 dynamics? Great, now add two doors to make it an even better DD.

Rudeness: I said WRECKS in all its glory...in a straight line period, you know, most roads? As in you will never be able to catch up with one in the highway? Must suck. As for better sounds and is faster, THEY ARE FACTS.

Check ANY REVIEW AT ALL, they will ALL say the engine is a gem and sounds better than all cars REMOTELY near the price range.

Facts.
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As for the car not existing, says who?

Manual M2 - 53k.

Adding 2 more doors, OLED and better interior will mark it up to about 65,000 with the same engine. It is LITERALLY the same thing Audi is doing with the RS3 -> TT RS, the difference is that for Audi's fans (as in many models), they like their AWD and Chassis and tranquil steering feel. For many the TT RS is a perfect car.

Not for me, but the M2 Gran Coupe with a better interior (by far better) and updated lights, would be.

Would look even better with the CF rear diffuser, CF caps, obviously glossy CF interior trim and quilted leather seats..

Black grills...Dinan tuning later on...!!! Agh! Can't wait to get such a BMW...

Let's just hope they actually make it

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OLED: Have you seen the lights from the M4 GTS? Gorgeous. The lights of the 2 series, 3 series and even 4 series, all meh, boring, nothing special. I'm talking about a car where everything is special.

Suspension and chassis: Super simple. You like the M2 dynamics? Great, now add two doors to make it an even better DD.

Rudeness: I said WRECKS in all its glory...in a straight line period, you know, most roads? As in you will never be able to catch up with one in the highway? Must suck. As for better sounds and is faster, THEY ARE FACTS.

Check ANY REVIEW AT ALL, they will ALL say the engine is a gem and sounds better than all cars REMOTELY near the price range.

Facts.
It's not rude to say "wrecks." It's rude to say the same things, over and over again, about the alleged superiority of a car you have never driven over the car that is the focus of this board. Especially when it has been pointed out to you time and again that those same things relate to factors that make more difference to you than they do to many others on this board.

For a glaring example, if an aspiring Lexus sedan owner decided he wanted to spend a lot of time on an M2 board pointing out that his wannabe car was much quieter than the M2, and therefore he just didn't understand why everybody on the board didn't acknowledge the superiority of his (theoretical) choice---at some point in the thread that would be rude.

You passed that point awhile ago.

As for your terribly rude "must suck" comment above, versions of which you have made repeatedly in your posts, you are truly clueless if you think I or many others on this board make car choices based on whether our cars could overtake another on a public highway. Cowboy-ing at high speeds on public highways in this country is nuts. That's what a track is for, buddy--something with which you have made clear you are not familiar.
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Audi's fans (as in many models), they like their AWD and Chassis and tranquil steering feel. :
Anyone who prefers tranquil steering feel should be taking the bus.
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Anyone who prefers tranquil steering feel should be taking the bus.
Didn't say I was one of them.

I only like the TT RS, not Audi as a brand.

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It's not rude to say "wrecks." It's rude to say the same things, over and over again, about the alleged superiority of a car you have never driven over the car that is the focus of this board. Especially when it has been pointed out to you time and again that those same things relate to factors that make more difference to you than they do to many others on this board.

For a glaring example, if an aspiring Lexus sedan owner decided he wanted to spend a lot of time on an M2 board pointing out that his wannabe car was much quieter than the M2, and therefore he just didn't understand why everybody on the board didn't acknowledge the superiority of his (theoretical) choice---at some point in the thread that would be rude.

You passed that point awhile ago.

As for your terribly rude "must suck" comment above, versions of which you have made repeatedly in your posts, you are truly clueless if you think I or many others on this board make car choices based on whether our cars could overtake another on a public highway. Cowboy-ing at high speeds on public highways in this country is nuts. That's what a track is for, buddy--something with which you have made clear you are not familiar.
Decided not to read your comment. Enjoy your car.
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Didn't say I waa one of them.

I only like the TT RS, not Audi as a brand.
Not referring to you specifically, but anyone who likes driving should want some heft to steering weight. Audi's steering has been compared to the Pole Position video game from the early '80s. A bit of an overstatement but people understand the point.
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Not referring to you specifically, but anyone who likes driving should want some heft to steering weight. Audi's steering has been compared to the Pole Position video game from the early '80s. A bit of an overstatement but people understand the point.
I thought Audi's issue was numb streering, not overly light?
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Before you keep spouting nonesense, picture this.

A $65,000 sports car with Audi TT RS-level interior and exhaust sound, M2 Grand Coupe chassis and suspension, manual transmission, OLED taillights. 400HP engine with 370lbs torque.

Name a better car...

Didn't think so!
Why not sit back, sip a beer, chill for a few months and get a 2 seat version of the above (probably) which might even include the OLED tail lights?

I'm pretty sure that's he's just discribed the Z5...
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