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      12-15-2016, 11:28 PM   #1
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If you don't like the Conti's you may not have them for long

Picked up my car on October 21st and was a bit bummed that it had the Conti's on it. Today I went over 4,000 miles and decided to use my longacre depth gauge to get a sense of how they were wearing on regular day to day driving. I was a bit shocked to see the depth on the rear tires was 7/32, the fronts were 9/32. Most new tires come with 9 to 10/32 tread, I believe the Conti's came with 10 but I didn't check when I got them so don't quote me on this.

What I can say is that they are wearing pretty quickly for a tire with a tread life of 280. My guess is those of us with these tires will be replacing them around 15,000 miles, perhaps sooner.
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15k miles is like 1.5 years for me but in reality, more like 2.5-3 years because I wear winters 4-5 months/year. That could be the lifetime of my ownership. I shouldn't though given all of the rave reviews.

Are these tires really that bad? I mean, they're still performance summer tires. How often do we pull a G force driving on the street anyway? Granted, the PSS are considered superior but by how much of a margin? It's not like they fitted some cars with PSS and others with Pirelli all season run-flats which, by the way, do suck as they came on my 4 series. I think this topic is overblown a bit. I do think the PSS profile is aesthetically sexier though.
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15k miles is like 1.5 years for me but in reality, more like 2.5-3 years because I wear winters 4-5 months/year. That could be the lifetime of my ownership. I shouldn't though given all of the rave reviews.

Are these tires really that bad?
I want to ask similar question, how bad is Conti in wet when compared with PSS? If they wear out around 15,000 miles, that's a good news, we can change to M P4S at that time
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It's all relative. If BMW never advertised/installed PSS on the M2s, I would've been okay with Conti, I wouldn't have felt cheated. I have had Conti and PSS on my Civic Si and I can tell you first hand that while the Conti is a decent summer tire, the PSS is noticeably superior in dry/wet grip, and tire life.

Looking at the survey on this forum, it appears roughly 60% of the 2017 M2 owners get the PSS. I feel I get the short end of the stick because I'm paying the same msrp yet I'm getting an M2 that's slightly lesser equipped.
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It's all relative. If BMW never advertised/installed PSS on the M2s, I would've been okay with Conti, I wouldn't have felt cheated. I have had Conti and PSS on my Civic Si and I can tell you first hand that while the Conti is a decent summer tire, the PSS is noticeably superior in dry/wet grip, and tire life.

Looking at the survey on this forum, it appears roughly 60% of the 2017 M2 owners get the PSS. I feel I get the short end of the stick because I'm paying the same msrp yet I'm getting an M2 that's slightly lesser equipped.
BMW originally advertised MPSS tires on the M2 and then changed it to a more generic "performance summer tire" in later marketing materials to cover both the MPSS and the Conti tires. I believe the first model year (MY2016) comes with MPSS only, and subsequent model years (MY2017+) are a mix of MPSS and Contis. BMW did this with the F8x M3/M4 too. This is probably due to contractual arrangements by BMW with Michelin and Continental.

The other issue is that the Contis coming on the M2 are the ContiSportContact 3 tires, which are generally regarded as poor "performance" tires. On the M3/M4, the Conti tires are the ContiSportContact 5P tires, which still aren't quite on par with the MPSS, but are much better than the CSC 3s that come on the 2017+ M2. Therefore, the MPSS/Conti distinction on the M2 has more of an impact.
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      12-19-2016, 05:25 PM   #6
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BMW originally advertised MPSS tires on the M2 and then changed it to a more generic "performance summer tire" in later marketing materials to cover both the MPSS and the Conti tires. I believe the first model year (MY2016) comes with MPSS only, and subsequent model years (MY2017+) are a mix of MPSS and Contis. BMW did this with the F8x M3/M4 too. This is probably due to contractual arrangements by BMW with Michelin and Continental.

The other issue is that the Contis coming on the M2 are the ContiSportContact 3 tires, which are generally regarded as poor "performance" tires. On the M3/M4, the Conti tires are the ContiSportContact 5P tires, which still aren't quite on par with the MPSS, but are much better than the CSC 3s that come on the 2017+ M2. Therefore, the MPSS/Conti distinction on the M2 has more of an impact.

I am pretty sure that Michelin could not provide enough PSS to BMW for them to build the volume of the M2 that they wanted. Remember our tires are not the same size as the M3/4 so they are a niche from the suppliers perspective. Michelin already has begun building the PS4s so its likely that is what forced BMW to look for the only alternative with the BMW star which is the Conti's. The better choice among the Conti's would be the DW but it doesn't have the star even though that is what they use at the BMW Performance Driving School on the M cars. I am not too worried about it, I am driving about 2,000 miles a month and will be doing a few autocross days so I am hoping the PS4s will be available about the time that they are used up. The PS4s are already available in limited sizes in Europe and the reviews I have read are very good so I am excited to try them.
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#1 Check out the tirerack survey results. The Conti's are #20 out of 30, the PSS are #1 out of 30. It is of course subjective, but that is a huge difference.

#2 And this is the scary part... if you blow a Conti, they don't appear to be available here. TireRack does not even sell them in our size. That's my biggest concern...
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Picked up my car on October 21st and was a bit bummed that it had the Conti's on it. Today I went over 4,000 miles and decided to use my longacre depth gauge to get a sense of how they were wearing on regular day to day driving. I was a bit shocked to see the depth on the rear tires was 7/32, the fronts were 9/32. Most new tires come with 9 to 10/32 tread, I believe the Conti's came with 10 but I didn't check when I got them so don't quote me on this.

What I can say is that they are wearing pretty quickly for a tire with a tread life of 280. My guess is those of us with these tires will be replacing them around 15,000 miles, perhaps sooner.
I got 14k out of my conti's on my e92 M3. They are not bad tires, just not as good as the PSS.

After I switched to PSS, I thought I had a different car. Wet traction alone with PSS was shockingly better than the Conti's.
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      12-20-2016, 01:43 PM   #9
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15k miles is like 1.5 years for me but in reality, more like 2.5-3 years because I wear winters 4-5 months/year. That could be the lifetime of my ownership. I shouldn't though given all of the rave reviews.
Same here. I'm only hoping that manual equipped cars are more likely to get Michelins.
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Same here. I'm only hoping that manual equipped cars are more likely to get Michelins.
I doubt they put that much thought into it. Its more like 'what tires are on the rack when the car comes through the line'. I got stiffed with the Contis. But am (almost) over it. Next set will be Michelins! ... but I have a year of driving to get there (after hibernation).
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      12-21-2016, 08:52 AM   #11
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They are done with PSS. PS4 production is ramping up and is what will start coming with the cars.
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They are done with PSS. PS4 production is ramping up and is what will start coming with the cars.
Not so sure it will be that instant nor that the M2 will automatically come with the PS4s. If it is like the transition between the PS2 and PSS we will see some models go to the PS4s right away and some that will stick with the PSS for a year or two before the transition. I suppose the other possibility is that BMW would continue to have a mix of PSS and Conti's. It will be interesting to see.
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I look at it this way, the car will feel even more phenomenal when I switch out the Contis For MPSS/4S. I'm fine with that!

I can report that the Contis do, in fact, spin in 2nd at 25F.
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I look at it this way, the car will feel even more phenomenal when I switch out the Contis For MPSS/4S. I'm fine with that!

I can report that the Contis do, in fact, spin in 2nd at 25F.
I spin 3rd in those temps with the mpss but I'm not stock. This car being purposely under sized is a bummer. 265/285 coming up! And switch to a real performance tire, RE-11a, RE71r or Rs3's at the similar prices.
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They are done with PSS. PS4 production is ramping up and is what will start coming with the cars.
I bet you will continue to see the PSS on the M2 for a long time. Heck they are putting a 10 year old tire you can't buy on the car still!
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Picked up my car on October 21st and was a bit bummed that it had the Conti's on it. Today I went over 4,000 miles and decided to use my longacre depth gauge to get a sense of how they were wearing on regular day to day driving. I was a bit shocked to see the depth on the rear tires was 7/32, the fronts were 9/32. Most new tires come with 9 to 10/32 tread, I believe the Conti's came with 10 but I didn't check when I got them so don't quote me on this.

What I can say is that they are wearing pretty quickly for a tire with a tread life of 280. My guess is those of us with these tires will be replacing them around 15,000 miles, perhaps sooner.

All of the M3/M4's you drove out at Thermal were already switched to Conti's. I did an LA chapter 1/2 day in April and I think the switch was fairly recent. Not sure if the staff were entirely thrilled. BMW is barely making any money on these cars so they're pinching EU where they can.
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#1 Check out the tirerack survey results. The Conti's are #20 out of 30, the PSS are #1 out of 30. It is of course subjective, but that is a huge difference.

#2 And this is the scary part... if you blow a Conti, they don't appear to be available here. TireRack does not even sell them in our size. That's my biggest concern...
Yes they do, look up the actual tire don't put in your car info. I already bought a rear OEM conti for my 17 M2.
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Yes they do, look up the actual tire don't put in your car info. I already bought a rear OEM conti for my 17 M2.
You just got lucky
1. The rears are marked "Special/Closeout" - so I don't think they will be around much longer
2. Same with the fronts

edit: Originally I searched on the wrong front size and incorrectly stated they were not avail.
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All of the M3/M4's you drove out at Thermal were already switched to Conti's. I did an LA chapter 1/2 day in April and I think the switch was fairly recent. Not sure if the staff were entirely thrilled. BMW is barely making any money on these cars so they're pinching EU where they can.
They use the Conti DW out at Thermal, pretty decent tire based on my experience, I also drove some cars that still had PSS and they had slightly better turn in and stability in the high speed turns on day 2 when your going 130-140 on the straights into some pretty high speed turns.
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15k miles is like 1.5 years for me but in reality, more like 2.5-3 years because I wear winters 4-5 months/year. That could be the lifetime of my ownership. I shouldn't though given all of the rave reviews.
Same here. I'm only hoping that manual equipped cars are more likely to get Michelins.
I have a manual 2017 and got Contis :
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DCX used to use contis on the 300C/Charger/Magnum when those cars first came out. Guys used to scream at us kids because we'd tell them they needed tires by the 4th oil change (~20000kms). Most would switch to a Michelin tire and get more distance out of them.

I used to love driving the cars with the fresh contis though, they stuck better than the Michelins, but yeah, they wore really fast.
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All of the M3/M4's you drove out at Thermal were already switched to Conti's. I did an LA chapter 1/2 day in April and I think the switch was fairly recent. Not sure if the staff were entirely thrilled. BMW is barely making any money on these cars so they're pinching EU where they can.
Apparently you know more than I do because I actually looked at each car before I got into it, some had Conti's and some had PSS. The cars I drove were about 50/50 Conti and PSS. They swap out cars frequently so I doubt many of the cars from April were still being used in October but apparently you know more than I do and I cannot read a tire label.
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