[moveswiftly]

#1 at my local dealer.

[Gatte]

The following is what one of the dealerships sent over for me to sign before I put in my deposit:

I ******* is giving ****** the amount of $1,000 Dollars as earnest money to order BMW M2 (CS, CSL, GTS). This vehicle will be ordered to my specifications and is expected to arrive with the same options that are listed in my build sheet. Once the vehicle goes into production the amount given as earnest money is NOT REFUNDABLE in the event I decide to cancel or back out of the purchase. I also agree to pay full MSRP for this vehicle which is not yet specified, MSRP will not have additional premium and will not be discounted.

Do you think this is a reasonable agreement to sign before I put in my deposit. I would like to put in a clause for ED ??

[M2 CSL]

Originally Posted by Gatte

The following is what one of the dealerships sent over for me to sign before I put in my deposit:

I ******* is giving ****** the amount of $1,000 Dollars as earnest money to order BMW M2 (CS, CSL, GTS). This vehicle will be ordered to my specifications and is expected to arrive with the same options that are listed in my build sheet. Once the vehicle goes into production the amount given as earnest money is NOT REFUNDABLE in the event I decide to cancel or back out of the purchase. I also agree to pay full MSRP for this vehicle which is not yet specified, MSRP will not have additional premium and will not be discounted.

Do you think this is a reasonable agreement to sign before I put in my deposit. I would like to put in a clause for ED ??

Maybe have them include something that states your status or position relative to anyone else who might want to put themselves on a wait list. Are you "#1"?

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by M2 CSL

Maybe have them include something that states your status or position relative to anyone else who might want to put themselves on a wait list. Are you "#1"?

I am number 1. I was going to do that.

I think I'll draft out something that states that I am number 1 and also put in a clause for ED.

[///Mobbin]

Nice, congrats!

[///Mobbin]

Has anyone researched what it took to get an M4 GTS voucher? I'm curious if step #1 was simply being on a dealer list or if something more was required?

More info here: LINK

[auf Deutsch]

Originally Posted by DomR

Dont think this rumored car will cost more that the M3, will probably start just under, so that the M4/M3 buyers are not cut out

The M4 GTS is ~$20k more than what an M6 starts at. Don't be so sure of this CS(L) costing less than $66k, the price of an M4.

[auf Deutsch]

Originally Posted by ///Mobbin

Has anyone researched what it took to get an M4 GTS voucher? I'm curious if step #1 was simply being on a dealer list or if something more was required?

More info here: LINK

My dealer told me it was a lottery system.

[M2 CSL]

Originally Posted by auf Deutsch

The M4 GTS is ~$20k more than what an M6 starts at. Don't be so sure of this CS(L) costing less than $66k, the price of an M4.

Agreed, basically any upgrade they do the M2 at this point will make it undeniably quicker than a base M4 around a track for what that's worth, so no way it is coming close to base M4 prices.

I'm conservatively going with 2x base M2 price. Will it be worth it, we will have to see...

[///Mobbin]

Originally Posted by M2 CSL

Agreed, basically any upgrade they do the M2 at this point will make it undeniably quicker than a base M4 around a track for what that's worth, so no way it is coming close to base M4 prices.

I'm conservatively going with 2x base M2 price. Will it be worth it, we will have to see...

I think you're generally in the right ballpark here and I think a bit of it depends on which car they decide to make.

M2 GTS w/ S55 - S55 + custom aero + custom half-cage + custom seats + custom interior + custom KW suspension + carbon ceramics ---- This will be 2x base M2 or higher (all of these components cost $$$ when not volume produced)
M2 GTS w/ N55 + water injection (and all of the above) ---- Again, 2x base M2 or higher, same reasoning
M2 GTS w/ tuned N55 ---- 2x base M2 might make sense
M2 CSL w/ S55 + carbon roof or other lightweight components ---- less of everything bc lightweight, I'm thinking slightly less than 2x base M2
M2 CSL w/ N55 + water ---- slightly less than 2x base M2
M2 CSL w/ tuned N55 + carbon roof or other lightweight components - less than 2x base M2
M2 Clubsport = CSL

Any of the above in my garage:

[filet.M2c]

Originally Posted by ///Mobbin

I think you're generally in the right ballpark here and I think a bit of it depends on which car they decide to make.

M2 GTS w/ S55 - S55 + custom aero + custom half-cage + custom seats + custom interior + custom KW suspension + carbon ceramics ---- This will be 2x base M2 or higher (all of these components cost $$$ when not volume produced)
M2 GTS w/ N55 + water injection (and all of the above) ---- Again, 2x base M2 or higher, same reasoning
M2 GTS w/ tuned N55 ---- 2x base M2 might make sense
M2 CSL w/ S55 + carbon roof or other lightweight components ---- less of everything bc lightweight, I'm thinking slightly less than 2x base M2
M2 CSL w/ N55 + water ---- slightly less than 2x base M2
M2 CSL w/ tuned N55 + carbon roof or other lightweight components - less than 2x base M2
M2 Clubsport = CSL

Any of the above in my garage:

I don't really agree with this. If it is a full out GTS I could see it selling for 95K, but if I remember correctly the e46 M3 CSL was only 20% more than the base m3. If the M2 ends up being a CS or CSL and follows the same pricing structure as the E46 then it would end up around $63K. I mean the cayman GT4 was $85K. I think it would be crazy if BMW decided to price the special M2 above that.

[auf Deutsch]

Originally Posted by ///Mobbin

I think you're generally in the right ballpark here and I think a bit of it depends on which car they decide to make.

M2 GTS w/ S55 - S55 + custom aero + custom half-cage + custom seats + custom interior + custom KW suspension + carbon ceramics ---- This will be 2x base M2 or higher (all of these components cost $$$ when not volume produced)
M2 GTS w/ N55 + water injection (and all of the above) ---- Again, 2x base M2 or higher, same reasoning
M2 GTS w/ tuned N55 ---- 2x base M2 might make sense
M2 CSL w/ S55 + carbon roof or other lightweight components ---- less of everything bc lightweight, I'm thinking slightly less than 2x base M2
M2 CSL w/ N55 + water ---- slightly less than 2x base M2
M2 CSL w/ tuned N55 + carbon roof or other lightweight components - less than 2x base M2
M2 Clubsport = CSL

Any of the above in my garage:

Holy shit, that's a lot of scenarios. Doesn't CSL stand for Club Sport Light, emphasis on light, meaning big bucks spent on CF and aluminum?

[///Mobbin]

Originally Posted by synergist

I don't really agree with this. If it is a full out GTS I could see it selling for 95K, but if I remember correctly the e46 M3 CSL was only 20% more than the base m3. If the M2 ends up being a CS or CSL and follows the same pricing structure as the E46 then it would end up around $63K. I mean the cayman GT4 was $85K. I think it would be crazy if BMW decided to price the special M2 above that.

Good points. I've spent more time thinking about the GTS as that's my top choice. You are probably right on the CSL, less custom parts involved and likely higher volume so it certainly could go for less. GT4 price point is definitely something for BMW to consider also as any special M2 would likely be compared to it.

I would also keep in mind that any kind of volume <1000 worldwide is likely to sell out quickly and command a premium (even if the premium doesn't match up with competitors cars). Anyone looked at e46 m3 CSL production numbers or e92 M3 GTS production numbers? Those may be indicators as well.

[///Mobbin]

Originally Posted by auf Deutsch

Holy shit, that's a lot of scenarios. Doesn't CSL stand for Club Sport Light, emphasis on light, meaning big bucks spent on CF and aluminum?

My thinking is that a CSL would probably involve a carbon roof, hood, trunk. Then perhaps the M4 comp pack seats and a special front bumper? While those are all costly components, I think this car would be made in higher volumes than an M2 GTS, bringing the prices down for the new components. Then not sure what CSL stands for (wikipedia says "coupe sport lightweight") but also theorizing that the "clubsport" rumors out there are really just in reference to what could be a CSL, not sure.

(And my apologies for turning the waitlist thread into a price speculation thread.)

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by synergist

I don't really agree with this. If it is a full out GTS I could see it selling for 95K, but if I remember correctly the e46 M3 CSL was only 20% more than the base m3. If the M2 ends up being a CS or CSL and follows the same pricing structure as the E46 then it would end up around $63K. I mean the cayman GT4 was $85K. I think it would be crazy if BMW decided to price the special M2 above that.

I completely agree with synergist. From the start, the M2 seems to have been made keeping in mind a younger buyer unlike the M4/M3. If the CSL is not gonna compete with a GT4 I really don't see how they can charge that type of price. Even if it keeps up with a GT4, I really think that it'll be priced a little under it. The hardcore GTS version could go upto 95K but not too much over the price of the GT4. They also need to be competitively priced with the Audis and Mercs out there.

I really don't want the GTS. I want a CSL very similar to what the original E46 CSL was. Only thing that I would want different from that model is a 6MT.

The M4 GTS (The fastest BMW ever and completely built for the track) got a lot of stick because the ford GT350R and Chevy ZL1 (Costing less than a third of the GTS) posted better times on motor trend on the track.
BMW will not be able to justify a huge price for the M2 CS/CSL/GTS if there are cars that are less than half the price that are better at doing what BMW intends the car to do.

[filet.M2c]

Originally Posted by Gatte

I completely agree with synergist. From the start, the M2 seems to have been made keeping in mind a younger buyer unlike the M4/M3. If the CSL is not gonna compete with a GT4 I really don't see how they can charge that type of price. Even if it keeps up with a GT4, I really think that it'll be priced a little under it. The hardcore GTS version could go upto 95K but not too much over the price of the GT4. They also need to be competitively priced with the Audis and Mercs out there.

I really don't want the GTS. I want a CSL very similar to what the original E46 CSL was. Only thing that I would want different from that model is a 6MT.

The M4 GTS (The fastest BMW ever and completely built for the track) got a lot of stick because the ford GT350R and Chevy ZL1 (Costing less than a third of the GTS) posted better times on motor trend on the track.
BMW will not be able to justify a huge price for the M2 CS/CSL/GTS if there are cars that are less than half the price that are better at doing what BMW intends the car to do.

I agree with this. A CSL with 20-40 hp more than the base M2, 2-300 lbs lighter, and exclusively a 6MT (similar to the GT4 to limit canalizing the bigger brothers) around $65K would be perfect

[M2 CSL]

Originally Posted by synergist

I agree with this. A CSL with 20-40 hp more than the base M2, 2-300 lbs lighter, and exclusively a 6MT (similar to the GT4 to limit canalizing the bigger brothers) around $65K would be perfect

Good point on the manual only, I can see them doing that in order to not offend Mr DCT M4 cruising down the strip with the top down.

[M2 CSL]

Maybe make it a poor man's 911R. Manual transmission, subtle exterior tweaks, better motor, take out some weight and call it the driver's BMW.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by synergist

I agree with this. A CSL with 20-40 hp more than the base M2, 2-300 lbs lighter, and exclusively a 6MT (similar to the GT4 to limit canalizing the bigger brothers) around $65K would be perfect

~ 400 Hp and 250 lbs lighter would be perfect indeed.

This will also be very close to the next GT4 although the GT4 would most probably have a naturally aspirated engine. That is another reason why BMW can probably not price the car the same as a GT4.

[Artemis]

My guesstimate: MY2018 (late 2017 or early 2018) | M2 CS | ± 400 hp | some lightweight parts here and there to cut a bit of weight | M3/M4 money | limited production | speculators' & collectors' frenzy as soon as the word is officially out, ensuring that most will be spoken for before the first M2 CS is delivered to a customer (even if the price-tag would be an equivalent of a loaded M3/M4).

Originally Posted by ///Mobbin

Then not sure what CSL stands for (wikipedia says "coupe sport lightweight") but also theorizing that the "clubsport" rumors out there are really just in reference to what could be a CSL, not sure.

But "CS" in "M2 CS" will stand for "Clubsport".

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by Artemis

My guesstimate: MY2018 (late 2017 or early 2018) | M2 CS | ± 400 hp | some lightweight parts here and there to cut a bit of weight | M3/M4 money | limited production | speculators' & collectors' frenzy as soon as the word is officially out, ensuring that most will be spoken for before the first M2 CS is delivered to a customer (even if the price-tag would be an equivalent of a loaded M3/M4).





But "CS" in "M2 CS" will stand for "Clubsport".

I think I agree with almost everything here except the naming. I still think that they will bring back the 'CSL' and not the 'CS'. It will create a lot of publicity and hooplah. Some of the people who've gone away from BMW might also get enticed back.

I don't think they'll make a 2 series GTS. The GTS will probably always be the most premium car and a cut above the top 2 series version (at least that's what BMW will try to make it look like).

In 6 months time, let's come back and check who was right.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by ///Mobbin

My thinking is that a CSL would probably involve a carbon roof, hood, trunk. Then perhaps the M4 comp pack seats and a special front bumper? While those are all costly components, I think this car would be made in higher volumes than an M2 GTS, bringing the prices down for the new components. Then not sure what CSL stands for (wikipedia says "coupe sport lightweight") but also theorizing that the "clubsport" rumors out there are really just in reference to what could be a CSL, not sure.

(And my apologies for turning the waitlist thread into a price speculation thread.)

The CSL does stand for "Coupe Sport Lightweight (Leichtbau)". The club sport is what the CS could stand for.

There were a total of 1358 E46 CSLs built between June and December of 2003. Out of this, 823 were left hand drive and 535 were right hand drive (UK got 500 I think).