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      07-24-2016, 01:47 PM   #1
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Looking at a new m2 tomorrow (only 3 or 4 in CA) asking 15k over(72k)....Im sure I can get them to 8-10k over but also same dealer has a 2016 m4 3k miles for 69k (before negotiating)--which makes both vehicles almost the same price.

I missed the 1m boat in 2011 and always regretted not sucking it up and paying over sticker..for a more rare m.....but to get a 80k car for 67k or a 57k car for 67k is making this a heart vs brain problem...

What do you guys think? I know life is hard
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      07-24-2016, 01:55 PM   #2
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Looking at a new m2 tomorrow (only 3 or 4 in CA) asking 15k over(72k)....Im sure I can get them to 8-10k over but also same dealer has a 2016 m4 3k miles for 69k (before negotiating)--which makes both vehicles almost the same price.

I missed the 1m boat in 2011 and always regretted not sucking it up and paying over sticker..for a more rare m.....but to get a 80k car for 67k or a 57k car for 67k is making this a heart vs brain problem...

What do you guys think? I know life is hard
If those are your options,8-15k over MSRP for M2 or M4 at that price and you DON'T want to wait for an allocation then I would say M4.

It would be tricky for me if I lived in California and not Canada. I would pay 5-6 over MSRP if I lived in Cali and could drive this car all year.
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Did they add any accessories for that extra bump or is it purely just over MSRP? Where I'm at it seems most of the dealers are jacking up the price by adding MPE, carbon fiber add-ons and other accessories. They technically are selling at MSRP but, for example, the MSRP of MPE with CF tips is $4,500. So add that along with other CF accessories and you can bump the price $10k easy and still be able to say you are selling at MSRP.
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      07-24-2016, 02:24 PM   #4
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Did they add any accessories for that extra bump or is it purely just over MSRP? Where I'm at it seems most of the dealers are jacking up the price by adding MPE, carbon fiber add-ons and other accessories. They technically are selling at MSRP but, for example, the MSRP of MPE with CF tips is $4,500. So add that along with other CF accessories and you can bump the price $10k easy and still be able to say you are selling at MSRP.
No MPE...just basics--.exec package dct etc-- msrp 57365--asking $72365...

I suppose I can set a mental max over I'll go on the m2 (5-6k) without feeling like a money tosser-- and if they won't wiggle then discuss the m4 ..
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Did they add any accessories for that extra bump or is it purely just over MSRP? Where I'm at it seems most of the dealers are jacking up the price by adding MPE, carbon fiber add-ons and other accessories. They technically are selling at MSRP but, for example, the MSRP of MPE with CF tips is $4,500. So add that along with other CF accessories and you can bump the price $10k easy and still be able to say you are selling at MSRP.
No MPE...just basics--.exec package dct etc-- msrp 57365--asking $72365...

I suppose I can set a mental max over I'll go on the m2 (5-6k) without feeling like a money tosser-- and if they won't wiggle then discuss the m4 ..
As an m4 owner, I think the m4 is a better car and I would urge you to take the m4 over the m2 regardless of price.
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In all honesty I would just buy the M4 or wait for an M2 at msrp. You could find one at sticker if you looked out of state or just placed an order with a reasonable dealer. Don't pay over sticker, it just makes them markup the next one they get.
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Go for the M4 in this case. Eventually you will find one at MSRP
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The M2 is not a limited production model like the 1, so I'd go with the M4. Drive it for a year or two, wait till the M2 hype dies down then get one for MSRP or less. Your M4 should still retain a nice resale value, then sell it for the M2, if you still desire.
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Don't forget Cali sales tax on that 15k. plus your DMV is based on sales price. The M2 is a fun car but your over payment will continue while you own it. Mine is identical to what you're looking at and I feel it's a solid 55k car. I paid 57395 plus a 600 dealer fee plus shipping to LA. Add in the Expel, bits from IND and Cali sales tax and it is now a 69k car. But 2016 cars have better maintenance from BMW so hopefully I can get a little ROI back from that. I would make sure the maintenance comes with the M4 before choosing. Brake pads and rotors are pricey.

I constantly wonder if a 2011/2012 CPO 911 GTS coupe would have been better.

Make sure to post pics of your choice.
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No way I'd pay that much over MSRP.

Get the M4

I think there's no argument the m2 competes with the M4 when price is taken into account. But for the same money, M4 all the way.
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As an m4 owner, I think the m4 is a better car and I would urge you to take the m4 over the m2 regardless of price.
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The M2 is not a limited production model like the 1, so I'd go with the M4. Drive it for a year or two, wait till the M2 hype dies down then get one for MSRP or less. Your M4 should still retain a nice resale value, then sell it for the M2, if you still desire.
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Thanks guys good info here!
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There are dealers that will sell at MSRP if you're willing to wait. At $72k you can have an M4 or save money on a CPO M4. You could also maybe buy someone's place in line for less money than they want in total.
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There are dealers that will sell at MSRP if you're willing to wait. At $72k you can have an M4 or save money on a CPO M4. You could also maybe buy someone's place in line for less money than they want in total.
Yes---and this is a 2016 CPO m4 with only 3k miles so I'll inherit the full maintenance and warranty (before 2017 rule kicks in) and also not take the full brunt of the initial 20% depreciation hit for once. Asking 69k but I might be able to get to mid-60k range with some effort- (end of month = )

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Yep, not even broken in. Plus you're getting an S coded motor. Don't get me wrong, I'm on a list for an M2, but no way I'd pay over $70k for one. Good luck!
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Looking at a new m2 tomorrow (only 3 or 4 in CA) asking 15k over(72k)....Im sure I can get them to 8-10k over but also same dealer has a 2016 m4 3k miles for 69k (before negotiating)--which makes both vehicles almost the same price.

I missed the 1m boat in 2011 and always regretted not sucking it up and paying over sticker..for a more rare m.....but to get a 80k car for 67k or a 57k car for 67k is making this a heart vs brain problem...

What do you guys think? I know life is hard
Own both. Same money = M4 unless you value small and tossable. If you don't already know you need an M2, you'll probably enjoy the M4 more. If you can get him down to $5k over, I'd go M2. Just my 2 cents.
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Own both. Same money = M4 unless you value small and tossable. If you don't already know you need an M2, you'll probably enjoy the M4 more. If you can get him down to $5k over, I'd go M2. Just my 2 cents.
Which one do like to drive more? I have an f80, but I have thought about jumping to an M2 for more small and tossable.
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If someone was trying to charge me 10k+ over sticker for a production car id be taking my business elsewhere. Not worth it. Get on a list and wait, you'll get an M2, but you'll pay what its worth. They are depreciating assets after all. Within a couple of years of paying over the odds you'd start regretting it. My $0.02

If you don't mind paying a bit more for a year or twos worth of M motoring, get the M4 and use that whilst you wait. Then trade it in. It'll still be cheaper.
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If someone was trying to charge me 10k+ over sticker for a production car id be taking my business elsewhere. Not worth it. Get on a list and wait, you'll get an M2, but you'll pay what its worth. They are depreciating assets after all. Within a couple of years of paying over the odds you'd start regretting it. My $0.02

If you don't mind paying a bit more for a year or twos worth of M motoring, get the M4 and use that whilst you wait. Then trade it in. It'll still be cheaper.
Agreed. The m2 fad will eventually settle and to my knowledge it will be in demand but not a limited production. So patience will pay off.. I think just the fact there is one here in my area makes me anxious.... too bad these guys want m4 prices for a m2....but I'm sure someone will grab it soon... and pay close to high 60s...
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the 1M wasnt "limited" either. It was just that they had a shorter period of time to produce it. Now we know the M2 will be in prod for a while but that doesnt mean all demand for sure will met by the time it ends production. And waiting lists are alrdy long af(sold out in the UK and swe, prob some other markets as well)
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I wonder if you could locate one outside of CA and either have it shipped to CA or fly out and drive it back? The savings would more than pay for it. I did that with the wife's X6. I was able to get such a better deal on a new X6 from a dealer in Cleveland, OH that I bought it and had it shipped to Texas and still saved a few thousand.

I basically just shot emails to the Internet salesman at several dealers around the country and worked a great deal from there. Not that you're going to score a steal on a M2 but you could at least get one at MSRP.
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the 1M wasnt "limited" either. It was just that they had a shorter period of time to produce it. Now we know the M2 will be in prod for a while but that doesnt mean all demand for sure will met by the time it ends production. And waiting lists are alrdy long af(sold out in the UK and swe, prob some other markets as well)
----which is why a part of me considered to get one now while its here in my neighborhood...available..and with the colr/options I want...but 15k over ...yikes
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