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      10-16-2017, 06:32 AM   #67
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JTO24 care to weigh in about oil change prices?
I just paid for an oil change last month at Porsche of Cherry Hill and it was $375.xx w/ tax.

edit: OP, congrats!! I would absolutely love a GT4. Enjoy in good health!
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Well I went all in and bought a GT4 3 days ago without even test driving... All I can say is, OMG!

I shouldn't even be allowed to do a comparison between the M2 and GT4 because they are (actually not )polar opposite! The GT4 is planted, the gearbox, is like engaging a bolt action rifle and the sound from the engine is real! I feel the M2 is just a car daily driver tool and the GT4 is a race tool...

That said, we are talking 40k that's nearly double -right ? more for the GT4 and not as usable as M2. Still love the M2, just blown away by the GT4!

Edited for clarity . Congrats on the GT4.

I've heard many the same from friends and even this past weekend at hallet Motorsport park ran into a former 1M bro that's now driving a Cayman GTS. The current car on his short list .. an M2 CSL.

At the track this weekend I ran into five friends (Kelly with the Cayman , Bruce , Ross , Doug , Steve) that are all waiting for an M2 CS or CSL. Gatte and Artemis I can also tell you that the M2 CSL 6MT crowd is *strong*.
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I just paid for an oil change last month at Porsche of Cherry Hill and it was $375.xx w/ tax.

edit: OP, congrats!! I would absolutely love a GT4. Enjoy in good health!
Thank you. I feel vindicated .

That price indicates that there is a couple hours of labor involved, possibly dropping/raising the engine.
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Congrats! Very nice car and probably one of the most fun to drive out there (too bad it's only a 2 seater...)
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LOL not even in the same league...
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99% of cars will come out with the short end of the stick when being compared to the GT4 in terms of driving experience.

Maybe one day I'll get there, but until then, I'm absolutely loving the M2.
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LOL not even in the same league...
Exactly and that's why numerous online comparisons have been against the Cayman 718S, a car costing $65k with zero options. The M2 hits above its weight class but comparing it to a GT4 is like comparing Glass Joe with Mike Tyson....ok, maybe Von Kaiser to Mike Tyson.
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Exactly and that's why numerous online comparisons have been against the Cayman 718S, a car costing $65k with zero options. The M2 hits above its weight class but comparing it to a GT4 is like comparing Glass Joe with Mike Tyson....ok, maybe Von Kaiser to Mike Tyson.
Was that a Nintendo reference? Awesome.
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They are way different but enjoyable. I like driving my M2 as much as my 997.1 GT3, especially on the road. The M2 has way better/sharper turn in, more stable and easier to drive, gobs of low end torque. The GT3 is super agile with a great n/a high revving engine and is a handful to drive fast.
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They are way different but enjoyable. I like driving my M2 as much as my 997.1 GT3, especially on the road. The M2 has way better/sharper turn in, more stable and easier to drive, gobs of low end torque. The GT3 is super agile with a great n/a high revving engine and is a handful to drive fast.
Interesting the M2 has a sharper turn in, would?ve thought the opposite.
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GT4 will be the new cayman R real soon with the GT4 RS having so much more power than the GT4. I'm excited to see how much the price will dip on the available 16' GT4's after the RS becomes available. This is the wrong time to buy a GT4 IMO unless you don't mind the drop in value right around the corner.
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Interesting the M2 has a sharper turn in, would?ve thought the opposite.
Maybe heavier turn-in is a better way to phrase it (IMO)? There's no weight over the front tire of the 996/997 GT3...you have to drive it with your right foot from the rear. It's a very different experience than driving a nearly 50/50 balanced M2/M3/M4 around a track. Since all the weight is in the rear and under heavy braking, the rear wants to rotate and that's how the car into and out of turns fast
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GT4 will be the new cayman R real soon with the GT4 RS having so much more power than the GT4. I'm excited to see how much the price will dip on the available 16' GT4's after the RS becomes available. This is the wrong time to buy a GT4 IMO unless you don't mind the drop in value right around the corner.
I'm waiting for that dip :roll eyes:
The price of a used GT4 is for the moment not that much lower then the new price. For me; I will never pay almost the same "new" price for a used car. This shortcuts in my brain
I know this is not easy to do with used Porsche GT models; but when the GT4RS is coming I will go on the look out and hope the prices will drop. I have time to wait...and even if there is no GT4 coming in my garage; I can not complain with my current garage (M2 + Z4M).
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Damn, you guys are going to make me go scan through the GT4s in Classified on Rennlist
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Interesting the M2 has a sharper turn in, would?ve thought the opposite.
I used to own a E82 1M and a 981 CGTS, I`ve told this forum multiple times the 1M had a better ,faster, more direct steering response, the initial steering input on the M2 is once again better than the 1M

Nobody could believe what I said concerining steering input/respons, but this is a nice conformation to my remarks on (initial)steering respons.
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Congrats OP. I drove my realtor’s GT4 a few months ago, promptly proceeded to open a rennlist account that weekend and put down a 1000$ deposit for number 6 on the next GT4 waitlist. Just to point out the difference in demand for these cars, Porsche of San Diego has a wait list that is over 90 people long and they will never get that many allocations.. I had to call over 20 dealerships across the country to find a dealership that sold GT cars out of state and had a reasonable looking wait list. The best I could do was a Utah dealership where I got in at # 6 for the GT4. They also had a wait list for the GT4 RS which was much longer.

The 718 GTS which was revealed yesterday will be quicker than the 981 GT4 on similar tires.

The M2 CSL if it happens will come out when the next GT4 comes out. Looking at the way Porsche is progressing with their lap times and performance figures, the next GT4 will be significantly quicker than the older GT4. The pricing should be around the 90k mark which is probably where we will see the M2 CSL if it gets made. People (including myself) will be cross shopping and BMW will need to up their game and lower their price if they want to appear as legitimate competition.

The real question then will be whether or not BMW tries to handicap the M2 CSL so as to not tread on big brother or really goes after Porsche (I would love to see this) as they purport to do all the time. The M2 probably has the chassis to be quicker than the M4 GTS and BMW probably knows what needs to be done to make it quicker than the M4 GTS but...

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GT4 will be the new cayman R real soon with the GT4 RS having so much more power than the GT4. I'm excited to see how much the price will dip on the available 16' GT4's after the RS becomes available. This is the wrong time to buy a GT4 IMO unless you don't mind the drop in value right around the corner.
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I'm waiting for that dip :roll eyes:
The price of a used GT4 is for the moment not that much lower then the new price. For me; I will never pay almost the same "new" price for a used car. This shortcuts in my brain
I know this is not easy to do with used Porsche GT models; but when the GT4RS is coming I will go on the look out and hope the prices will drop. I have time to wait...and even if there is no GT4 coming in my garage; I can not complain with my current garage (M2 + Z4M).
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Congrats OP. I drove my realtor’s GT4 a few months ago, promptly proceeded to open a rennlist account that weekend and put down a 1000$ deposit for number 6 on the next GT4 waitlist. Just to point out the difference in demand for these cars, Porsche of San Diego has a wait list that is over 90 people long and they will never get that many allocations.. I had to call over 20 dealerships across the country to find a dealership that sold GT cars out of state and had a reasonable looking wait list. The best I could do was a Utah dealership where I got in at # 6 for the GT4. They also had a wait list for the GT4 RS which was much longer.

The 718 GTS which was revealed yesterday will be quicker than the 981 GT4 on similar tires.

The M2 CSL if it happens will come out when the next GT4 comes out. Looking at the way Porsche is progressing with their lap times and performance figures, the next GT4 will be significantly quicker than the older GT4. The pricing should be around the 90k mark which is probably where we will see the M2 CSL if it gets made. People (including myself) will be cross shopping and BMW will need to up their game and lower their price if they want to appear as legitimate competition.

The real question then will be whether or not BMW tries to handicap the M2 CSL so as to not tread on big brother or really goes after Porsche (I would love to see this) as they purport to do all the time. The M2 probably has the chassis to be quicker than the M4 GTS and BMW probably knows what needs to be done to make it quicker than the M4 GTS but...
Just saw the pricing for the 981 Cayman GTS is $80,850.00 MANUAL GEARBOX STANDARD IIRC the original Cayman GT4 was around $84,500 -

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Just saw the pricing for the 981 Cayman GTS is $80,850.00 MANUAL GEARBOX STANDARD IIRC the original Cayman GT4 was around $84,500 -
Porsche is pricing the newer generation of their cars around 3K more than the last generation. This is what I have seen on all the Cayman cars so far. The Cayman, Cayman S and now the Cayman GTS all condone to that pattern.

The Boxster saw a higher jump in price which I think is finally right since the convertible cars should and are supposed to be pricier than their coupe counterparts. This has finally been made right by Porsche and should not be

Going by the ~3K increments that we have see so far, the GT4 should be around the 90K mark. The M2 CSL if it gets made will probably be close to 90K which I think would be too much if it cannot destroy the newer GT4 around a track.
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Porsche is pricing the newer generation of their cars around 3K more than the last generation. This is what I have seen on all the Cayman cars so far. The Cayman, Cayman S and now the Cayman GTS all condone to that pattern.

The Boxster saw a higher jump in price which I think is finally right since the convertible cars should and are supposed to be pricier than their coupe counterparts. This has finally been made right by Porsche and should not be

Going by the ~3K increments that we have see so far, the GT4 should be around the 90K mark. The M2 CSL if it gets made will probably be close to 90K which I think would be too much if it cannot destroy the newer GT4 around a track.

I'm not rich enough to follow Porsche pricing.. thank you for the updates on the trend. IIRC the Cayman R that the 1M compared well to was $76K.

So that would be an 8K jump to the GT4 from there.. (the GTS was also squeezed in the middle between the S and the GT4.

I expect that the next GT4 will be in the $88-90K area..

I do believe that an M2 CSL will be pricey.. but I would be shocked if it wasn't at least $10 K cheaper than the GT4 . I expect the M2 CSL to be around 70-75K tops...
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Interesting the M2 has a sharper turn in, would?ve thought the opposite.
There's nothing upfront in a 911 it's all at the back

So yes even a GT3 is understeery to begin with(thanks also to the massive rear tyres), this is probably why my mate Advevo got rid of his GT3 997 Clubsport, but the speeds are way higher than almost any car when experiencing this(trackdays)

This is with a bit more oversteer I must say (from 2:20mins)


And the M2 has one clever LSD using the outside rearwheel for power, not like using the inside rearwheel 'braking'/torquevectoring (like even Porsche streetcars do)

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I expect that the next GT4 will be in the $88-90K area..

I do believe that an M2 CSL will be pricey.. but I would be shocked if it wasn't at least $10 K cheaper than the GT4 . I expect the M2 CSL to be around 70-75K tops...
90K is a lot for any car but the main reason I was bringing up and considering the GT4 is because that car like the 1M does not seem to have depreciated at all. Used cars are still selling for more than MSRP. If I need to trade in and get something else, I will be able to do that without taking a big hit.

Also, I really don’t think that BMW will let the M2 CSL realize it’s full potential. Between a handicapped M2 CSL and a proper NA mid engined Porsche GT car at the same price, very few people would go for the BMW.

If the M2 CSL was priced 15K lower than the GT4 and did what the 1M did to the Cayman R, then it’s a completely different story.
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If one is young,short and has a strong back the Cayman GT4 is perfect. If one is tall,has some back problems,has daily routes which are bumper to bumper for 1-2 hours where the clutch goes in and out every 1-3 seconds then the Cayman GT4 is not suitable as a single daily driver. Maybe a great car for the weekends though as a second car. The M2 is more practical and the GT4 is a better performance car.
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