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      03-14-2017, 03:30 PM   #243
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This is absolutely insane - where are all these people hiding their M2s in north Dallas? I have literally seen one LBB M2 since the car came out. There's also been a white one @ Cars & Coffee at Classic BMW a few times, but that's it.
I did go to Cars & Coffee right after I got my LBB M2 last October, but I got there too late and couldn't find a spot to park. So I ended up just doing a drive through and leaving. Other than the show room M2, the only other M2's I have seen were at the CCA event I went to the weekend before last.
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      03-14-2017, 04:00 PM   #244
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if you really like this generation, then from a financial perspective it'll be best to wait. M2s are currently big time inflated but once the (expected) s55 powered M2 rolls out, the n55s will plummet in value. Just nature of it when it comes to luxury cars I guess. Of course, that's just speculative but these are not limited in terms of supply like the 1m so i would bet it'll happen.
I thought the general train of thought was that the CS / CSLmight get the S55, whilst the regular might go to the B58 - and even that would take a while to arrive?
possibly, but either route will likely lead to the same resale value of the current n55 powered M2. I mean let's face it, for as great as the M2 is, there is very little that is special about the motor. Its still an open deck n55 with slightly revised cooling and software. Obviously BMW knows that and didn't designate it an S class motor like all other M cars.
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if you really like this generation, then from a financial perspective it'll be best to wait. M2s are currently big time inflated but once the (expected) s55 powered M2 rolls out, the n55s will plummet in value. Just nature of it when it comes to luxury cars I guess. Of course, that's just speculative but these are not limited in terms of supply like the 1m so i would bet it'll happen.
This is pretty much categorically false. I imagine You are likely basing your opinion on a Mass marketed and sold vehicle ( which the M2 is NOT)

BMW history does not agree with you -

E30 M3 - went from 2.3L to the 2.5L sport EVO of which there were 600 sold. The Sport EVO didn't cause stock M3 values to tank.

E36 M3 had an "upgrade " in motor from S50 to S52 and there is very little difference in the used market today and the 1995 never lost value.

Mz3 also went from S50 to S52 - while the S52 models do have a better value - the S50 models never " plummeted " in the used market.

Non M models

E46 330 ZHP does command higher values than other E46 330 models but Not because of the 10 hp

E9x 2006 model year 330 values aren't significantly different than E9x 335 which went to a new twin turbo motor

BMW M235 values aren't plummeting because of the M240 B58 motor are they ?


Even if the M2 CS has an S55, it will be so hard to get there is little chance it will affect the stock M2. M2 production is artificially limited.


- just as the M2 ZL5 edition of the M2 for US was limited to 150 models, I would expect M2 CS to production to be limited to a particular
Number.

As seen by the models above .. even if ALL M2 produced in 2019 and after come with a new S motor .. the value of the standard M2 models made from 2016 thru 2018 model years likely will remain largely unaffected.

Don't forget that the M2 production for the first few years will be something like ..

2016 - just below 750 made
2017 - ?? Including 150 ZL 5
2018 - ??

My guess for 2017-18 is that production for the US is well under 1500 per year. That means a total of around 4000 made by the time we get to 2019 models ..


Compare M2 production to the E9x M3 which which had 40,000 coupes made, 10,000 sedans and 16,000 convertibles - a total of 66,000 pushed out the door.

BMW made the 1m alongside it and made 740 for the US and around 6300 worldwide..

Is there ANY DOUBT that F8x M3/M4 production will be similar or greater than E9x production ? And yet look at the number of M2 produced ... it likely will be around 1/10 the volume of its bigger siblings
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if you really like this generation, then from a financial perspective it'll be best to wait. M2s are currently big time inflated but once the (expected) s55 powered M2 rolls out, the n55s will plummet in value. Just nature of it when it comes to luxury cars I guess. Of course, that's just speculative but these are not limited in terms of supply like the 1m so i would bet it'll happen.
The LCI M2 will have the same engine N55. M2 CS will get the S55 and it's going​ to cost around $13k more here. That's the price range figure my local M division sales manager gave me:

M2 lci $72,000 ( same price as current 2017 )
M2 CS $85,000

^^ middle East GCC price
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That's way too tight a focus In my opinion.. the overall entire vehicles- not just the motor .. are quite similar when comparing the m240 and M2.
Really? Are you saying the M235i and 1M are very tight in comparison? Almost the same power!

I was all over agreeing with your previous post. The M240i and M2 are somewhat close in power, so that they can sell the M240i to whomever can't tell the difference. More comfort and colour options, less waiting... why not? Plus, more profit margin for BMW! Go for it!
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tbh i'm chuffed to bits i didn't wait, i love my car and i can say i had the 1st generation of the first ever M2, even if that means nothing to others, its a nice piece of car history to be able to look back on.
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That's way too tight a focus In my opinion.. the overall entire vehicles- not just the motor .. are quite similar when comparing the m240 and M2.
Really? Are you saying the M235i and 1M are very tight in comparison? Almost the same power!

I was all over agreeing with your previous post. The M240i and M2 are somewhat close in power, so that they can sell the M240i to whomever can't tell the difference. More comfort and colour options, less waiting... why not? Plus, more profit margin for BMW! Go for it!
Perhaps I misunderstood because it does seem like we agree.

I'm just saying that I don't think that BMW had a figure in mind when developing the M240 motor. Or at least by that I mean that they weren't dead focused on the Power differential between the M2 and M240.

The b58 will end up in a few thousand 2 series and will be in about 200,000 other BMWs so I think it's way too narrow a focus to try and say that BMW was trying to get close to M2 power figure in order to make the m240 attractive.
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I did go to Cars & Coffee right after I got my LBB M2 last October, but I got there too late and couldn't find a spot to park. So I ended up just doing a drive through and leaving. Other than the show room M2, the only other M2's I have seen were at the CCA event I went to the weekend before last.
I was actually at that one, but parked way out.
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if you really like this generation, then from a financial perspective it'll be best to wait. M2s are currently big time inflated but once the (expected) s55 powered M2 rolls out, the n55s will plummet in value. Just nature of it when it comes to luxury cars I guess. Of course, that's just speculative but these are not limited in terms of supply like the 1m so i would bet it'll happen.
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if you really like this generation, then from a financial perspective it'll be best to wait. M2s are currently big time inflated but once the (expected) s55 powered M2 rolls out, the n55s will plummet in value. Just nature of it when it comes to luxury cars I guess. Of course, that's just speculative but these are not limited in terms of supply like the 1m so i would bet it'll happen.
I thought the general train of thought was that the CS / CSLmight get the S55, whilst the regular might go to the B58 - and even that would take a while to arrive?
possibly, but either route will likely lead to the same resale value of the current n55 powered M2. I mean let's face it, for as great as the M2 is, there is very little that is special about the motor. Its still an open deck n55 with slightly revised cooling and software. Obviously BMW knows that and didn't designate it an S class motor like all other M cars.
What is this post haha. Assumptions on the open deck, that is not a fact. Revised cooling is not the end of it.
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if you really like this generation, then from a financial perspective it'll be best to wait. M2s are currently big time inflated but once the (expected) s55 powered M2 rolls out, the n55s will plummet in value. Just nature of it when it comes to luxury cars I guess. Of course, that's just speculative but these are not limited in terms of supply like the 1m so i would bet it'll happen.
I thought the general train of thought was that the CS / CSLmight get the S55, whilst the regular might go to the B58 - and even that would take a while to arrive?
possibly, but either route will likely lead to the same resale value of the current n55 powered M2. I mean let's face it, for as great as the M2 is, there is very little that is special about the motor. Its still an open deck n55 with slightly revised cooling and software. Obviously BMW knows that and didn't designate it an S class motor like all other M cars.
What is this post haha. Assumptions on the open deck, that is not a fact. Revised cooling is not the end of it.
not a fact? lol
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tbh i'm chuffed to bits i didn't wait, i love my car and i can say i had the 1st generation of the first ever M2, even if that means nothing to others, its a nice piece of car history to be able to look back on.
a stock M2 is simply a HELLUVA deal in the market place. There is no other vehicle that gives the same combination of (modest) luxury, RWD handling with good overall performance figures, and daily driving usability in all sorts of weather. ! nice score !
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a stock M2 is simply a HELLUVA deal in the market place. There is no other vehicle that gives the same combination of (modest) luxury, RWD handling with good overall performance figures, and daily driving usability in all sorts of weather. ! nice score !
Truly, the M2 is far more than the sum of its parts. BMW got the recipe just right, which, let's face it, rarely happens.

It is the people who don't understand this who make silly comments about how a new engine will immediately render older M2s worthless. -scr
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if you really like this generation, then from a financial perspective it'll be best to wait. M2s are currently big time inflated but once the (expected) s55 powered M2 rolls out, the n55s will plummet in value. Just nature of it when it comes to luxury cars I guess. Of course, that's just speculative but these are not limited in terms of supply like the 1m so i would bet it'll happen.
I thought the general train of thought was that the CS / CSLmight get the S55, whilst the regular might go to the B58 - and even that would take a while to arrive?
possibly, but either route will likely lead to the same resale value of the current n55 powered M2. I mean let's face it, for as great as the M2 is, there is very little that is special about the motor. Its still an open deck n55 with slightly revised cooling and software. Obviously BMW knows that and didn't designate it an S class motor like all other M cars.
Remind me what motor the 1 series M uses?
And don't forget the M2 is built based on its predecessor.
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a stock M2 is simply a HELLUVA deal in the market place. There is no other vehicle that gives the same combination of (modest) luxury, RWD handling with good overall performance figures, and daily driving usability in all sorts of weather. ! nice score !
Absolutely agree! With all the nit picking going on, the fact that this is a great deal for what you pay often gets missed. And it is a great car to drive regardless of what you paid.

The M240i is considered a great deal by many reviewers, and is 75% of the car the M2 is for 90% of the price.

As it started out as such a good deal, price creep should be expected (more than most models) and has been seen, with that trend likely to continue for the LCI. So those who are waiting may pay a high price for those cosmetic changes. But it will still likely be a good deal for what you get.
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I find it hard to believe that the changes aren't made public yet. Being as I work for one of the "Big 3" in the auto industry I know that at a plant level they know what the changes are because they're already running pilots on the 18MY. And if you're telling me that some dealer doesn't have a contact or someone that knows a person who works in the BMW manufacturing plant doesn't know something than you're full of it.

All I'm saying is... where's our Snowden of the BMW industry?? Where's our LEAK!? Of all you people on here, nobody knows someone who works at the manufacturing plant actually building the 18MY pilots right now??
Not that it is that big of a change,but as already mentioned in the 2 series LCI thread,the LCI M2 might also include adaptive cruise control.In these 2 series LCI pics you can see the plastic square under the licence plate.The mesh area under the licence plate is also very large on the M2,so BMW may not be able to integrate the feature for the design of the M2 bumper.
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LCI M2 might also include adaptive cruise control.In these 2 series LCI pics you can see the plastic square under the licence plate.
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Not that it is that big of a change,but as already mentioned in the 2 series LCI thread,the LCI M2 might also include adaptive cruise control.In these 2 series LCI pics you can see the plastic square under the licence plate.The mesh area under the licence plate is also very large on the M2,so BMW may not be able to integrate the feature for the design of the M2 bumper.
Adaptive cruise control on an M2?? Come on!
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For me the most important thing would be more elegant and straight tail lights that can be adopted to pre LCI cars.
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The LCI M2 will have the same engine N55. M2 CS will get the S55 and it's going​ to cost around $13k more here. That's the price range figure my local M division sales manager gave me:
M2 lci $72,000 ( same price as current 2017 )
M2 CS $85,000
^^ middle East GCC price
Interesting.

I quoted your comment in one of the M2 CS threads: http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...4#post21439884.
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