[Spa2k]

Uh-oh. I just read that Hyundai poached another M executive from BMW. I wonder if that will affect the value of the M2?

OMG - What was he working on for the M2 Competition? And more importantly, was he finished? Will any critical parts be missing?

I’m keeping my M2 for sure!

[Fear-Mongrel]

This video may seem slightly off-topic - it's Mat Watson learning how to drift - but watch when he figures it all out near the end and he pulls off a sweet drift in the M2. See how much fun he's having and how perfectly the car handles for him. When he nails it, you'd think he just lost his virginity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_B3RqLK7vw

I think this is why "worthless" isn't a word that will be associated with the N55 M2 anytime soon.

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by pruettfan

I don't agree with the premiss that the N55 M2 will be worthless because the Comp package is coming out that cost 10k more and will have more performance but not out of this world performance. The current M2 has had lower depreciation due to strong demand and short supply, i expect the 2018 car to impact that and bring M2 depreciation in line with other cars of its make and type. This may be a reason BMW predicted lower residuals for M2s on their leases. I don't feel ripped off or hood winked, I bought my M2 with the full knowledge that the Automotive world is a dynamic one and there will always be something better (or at least what appears better) coming out in a few years. When I wrote my check I did so intending on driving my M2 as a daily for 5-6 years and then either making it a garage queen or dedicated track car most likely the later. I stay in my cars long enough that depreciation is not a factor and I am not one of those guys who does not drive their cars to keep off the miles and preserve it for the next buyer. If your worried about that stuff you should buy Honda

How do you know it's going to cost $10k more? At this point there is no evidence of the starting MSRP but if you look at the competition (e.g. RS3) the base MSRP will most likely stay below $60k. Also, what do you mean by "will have more performance but not out of this world performance"? I mean seriously... If it costs, let's say, $10k more, does it have to provide "out of this world performance" to justify that? lol. Maybe the out-of-the-box performance of S55 in M2 Comp won't be mind-blowing but those who are into modding their engines will be able to get it up to near 600whp without too much effort (assuming BMW won't change the internals of the engine). In my opinion, S55 is the superior engine and has serious advantages over N55 (definitely not in the sound department tho). However, as much as I don't like the N55 I absolutely don't think it will be be worthless when M2 Comp is out. M2 with N55 will still probably be the better sounding one compared to its S55 variant while providing great deal of fun for the enthusiasts. I have never seen a true enthusiast who is not happy with their M2 (basically convincing me to get the M2 Comp even more). Therefore, I agree that current owners should just keep enjoying their cars.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by cntzl

How do you know it's going to cost $10k?

He doesn’t.

[horsepower_and_hounds]

Well the M4 didn't sure when they released the GTS and they sold them hand over fist for way over MSRP.... till peeps got smart. just say'n

Point is some peeps will buy anything at any cost just to have it. Will the N55 take a hit, maybe a small one but at such low numbers I think us N55'rs are going to be just fine

[tomwac]

Apparently I've hit a sensitive nerve with some, to become so defensive about their cars ... it's just a car, relax
The question was not very well understood. I'm keeping my M2, I enjoy it, will have big fun with it this weekend in the Eifel and NS, and I don't give a f*ck about M mirrors. That being out of the way, I'll try to go in to the 'discussion'...

[tomwac]

Originally Posted by Tag

About as worthless as the M2 Competition will be compared to the next gen M2.

Difference being here, BMW decided to completely overhaul the current model, see the subtle difference here?

[tomwac]

Originally Posted by champignon

This whole Z3M comparison is very specious. My comparison is on the coupes, which are much rarer than the convertibles.

First of all, the HP difference between the two engines that were put into the Z3M cars was enormous; 315 vs. 240. I own one of the 2000 Z3M Coupes, which has the "lesser" engine. I didn't even consider buying one with S52 engine for a couple of reasons, which were (1) poor price to value relationship in the S52 cars, and (2) Lots of rear subframe failures in the bigger engined cars, akin to those seen in some E46 M3s. The car was just not reinforced or designed to have that much horsepower.

The truth about that car is that it's a very funky car that drives fantastically, and the way it drives has much more to do with its design and suspension than it does with the absolute HP. But they only made something like 700 of the big engine coupes, so rarity is going to win out when it comes to valuing the car.

The S55 M2 will NOT have a 31% increase in HP compared to the N55. The current M2 is way faster and more powerful than the earlier Z3Ms were. It will also NOT be ultra rare like the S52 Z3M coupe is. And finally, the Z3M cars did not become "valuable" over night, that took time. We are now at 18-19 years of age for the oldest coupes; the lower powered convertibles, non-M, go back a few years more.

There will be thousands and thousands of the M2 Comp in the USA, when all is said and done. And you are going to have to wait a long time for them to appreciate, from whatever point they have depreciated to, before appreciation starts.

The Comp will be worth more than the current base model initially, because it will cost more and it will be newer. If I was going to buy a car for the purpose of value appreciation, the M2, any flavor of the M2, would not be it.

I was talking about the EU models, sorry for not being clearer. 286hp vs 321hp + traction control. When I was shopping for a used Z3M roadster back in the days, I didn't even look at the 286 versions and was considering only the updated one. Will it be the case here too for potential buyers?

[tomwac]

Originally Posted by Artemis

"real M engine", "proper M engines", "value": take your M2 through a narrow mountain tunnel, windows rolled down, and let the N55 engine + M Performance Exhaust sing the song of the ///M people.

Value ? Priceless !

I forgot the quotes around "real M engine" ... but I would expect that you understood what I meant

[tomwac]

Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

It will be just about as worthless as this thread/

Why read it then?

[tomwac]

Originally Posted by Spa2k

The M2 falling-value zealots should be more worried about the M2 Competition getting a bad magazine review, killing its sales from the start ... or the price increase for the M2 Competition getting it labeled as “just another overpriced BMW” ... or the new emissions controls on the M2 Competition castrating it and making it slower on the track than an M2.

All of these things are as absurd as thinking the release of M2 Competition will tank the value of the M2, which has gathered great reviews, a very positive reputation among enthusiasts and high resale prices. It’s just as likely that the M2 will hold its high value longer because of the price spread between it and the M2 Competition - or the availability (rarity?) of the M2 Competition. Here’s an idea: Why don’t we all enjoy what we’ve got - or are getting - instead of looking for every way possible not to enjoy the experience?

The bottom line? If you’re this insecure about owning an M2, you’re hanging out on the wrong playground.

I'm enjoying it to the fullest, no worries but why getting personal?

[tomwac]

Originally Posted by bobert

Calling M3 Adjuster... M3 Adjuster come in... please paste your value argumentation in this latest "will my N55 plummet in value" thread...

(How many threads have we seen with this same subject? )

Yes, how many? I didn't find them, so link it here please

[tomwac]

Also, I don't agree with the comparison M4 - M4 GTS... this model is not being added to the line up, it replaces the current model middle in it's life cycle...

[tomwac]

I agree with some that price and production numbers will dictate the price difference in the near future. I'm also not interested in what the car will be worth in 20 years, as I will not keep it that long. I just think that BMW did the wrong thing here, Competition should be living next to the M2 "base" and the CS (if it's ever going to be released)...

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by tomwac

Why read it then?

Unfortunately you posted it as if it has something productive to offer.

It does not.

Next /

[tomwac]

Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

Unfortunately you posted it as if it has something productive to offer.

It does not.

Next /

I believe I posted it with a very clear title. Maybe there is some reading comprehension missing at your side ... anyhow, move on and don't look back

[tomwac]

A good comparison (but not 100%) would be also the E36... when I was shopping for a track beater around 2008-2009, 286hp version could be had for 5-6k euro, while the 321 ones were more than double the price. Today, prices are comparable for both models, but I'm not interested in this long run, just wonder what it will do in the short term.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by tomwac

I believe I posted it with a very clear title. Maybe there is some reading comprehension missing at your side ... anyhow, move on and don't look back

Maybe increase your post count another way.

Or maybe join the Honda Forums they love this kind of crap.

[tomwac]

Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

Maybe increase your post count another way.

Or maybe join the Honda Forums they love this kind of crap.

Which crap? Can you be more specific? Or are you not articulate enough? And why drag Honda into this? Anyway, I think your schoolbus is leaving, so you should hurry out the door

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by bobert

Calling M3 Adjuster... M3 Adjuster come in... please paste your value argumentation in this latest "will my N55 plummet in value" thread...

(How many threads have we seen with this same subject? )

Truth !

[Spa2k]

Originally Posted by tomwac

I'm enjoying it to the fullest, no worries but why getting personal?

I didn’t. My comments were addressed to the group of people who believe that M2 prices will fall - not one specific person. In fact, I was very careful not to name anyone specifically.

[Bluenose-2er]

Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

Unfortunately you posted it as if it has something productive to offer.

It does not.

Next /

... and yet here you are, still reading it