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      11-02-2017, 03:46 AM   #23
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      11-02-2017, 05:32 PM   #24
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Stoptech Sport or EBC Yellows are a great street pad that also does "okay" at the track for 15-20 min sessions, from experience..
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UPDATE

So, after installing the Hawk HPS 5.0 pads, I noticed heavy brake dust on my RF wheel...no dust on the others. Upon examining further, one of the pads was never radiused (they have about a 30degree flat on the leading/trailing edges of the pad). Because of this, a significant amount of additional pad surface area contacts the rotor. It also was resulting in squeaking.

I contacted Hawk about this and the reseller but received zero response.

Anyway, I reinstalled the factory pads for now. I will say that the HPS 5.0 pads are a big improvement for the street. However, until I can address the defective pad, I'm not going to reinstall them. Back to the soft, low-bite factory pads. Oh well.
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      11-07-2017, 12:39 PM   #26
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So, after installing the Hawk HPS 5.0 pads, I noticed heavy brake dust on my RF wheel...no dust on the others. Upon examining further, one of the pads was never radiused (they have about a 30degree flat on the leading/trailing edges of the pad). Because of this, a significant amount of additional pad surface area contacts the rotor. It also was resulting in squeaking.

I contacted Hawk about this and the reseller but received zero response.

Anyway, I reinstalled the factory pads for now. I will say that the HPS 5.0 pads are a big improvement for the street. However, until I can address the defective pad, I'm not going to reinstall them. Back to the soft, low-bite factory pads. Oh well.
wow so it sounds like despite the one defective pad, the Hawk HPS 5.0's are a great improvement over the more expensive and excessive dust producing stock pads !!! thanks for the update !!!
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      11-13-2017, 12:34 AM   #27
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HPS 5.0 do not have strong initial bite at all. Their only advantage is they produce less dust than OEM BMW pads. I found them to be terrible (worse than OEM pad) on my Mazda for street use, YMMV. I would try the Porterfields or maybe Ferodo DS2500 instead. In fact, I considered replacing them after only 5000 miles because their initial bite is pretty scary when it's wet and cold. I believe the Stoptech Sport are better pads also but have lots of dust and noise complaints.
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      11-13-2017, 04:09 PM   #28
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Fair opinion, but have you tried them on the F8X cars? I find the Hawk HPS pads to be excellent relative to the factory pads - despite the issue I explained. I just reinstalled the factory pads and it's already back to a soft bite.
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      11-16-2017, 03:28 PM   #29
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So with the Hawks it sounds like we might just have found what we've been looking for. A pad that is identical/or marginally better even than stock oem (in terms of bite), a pad that will significantly outperform oem for a couple of track laps, a pad that is silent, and a pad that dusts waaaay less than oem.
I thought the guy above had burst the bubble but reading it again, his experience was on a Mazda.
I might go for these.
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So far form what I'm reading on here and other M2 forums and from Hawk's website and Tire Rack..the reviews are on point for the Hawk HPS 5.0 for the M2 !!!
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F8X stock is definitely soft compared to C63. And dust is far more than any other cars I have had. Need to address dust.

RS29 is a little too hardcore for most of us.

But how is mx72 compared to HPS5.0? Never tried either but in general, I have more faith endless.
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So, after installing the Hawk HPS 5.0 pads, I noticed heavy brake dust on my RF wheel...no dust on the others. Upon examining further, one of the pads was never radiused (they have about a 30degree flat on the leading/trailing edges of the pad). Because of this, a significant amount of additional pad surface area contacts the rotor. It also was resulting in squeaking.

I contacted Hawk about this and the reseller but received zero response.

Anyway, I reinstalled the factory pads for now. I will say that the HPS 5.0 pads are a big improvement for the street. However, until I can address the defective pad, I'm not going to reinstall them. Back to the soft, low-bite factory pads. Oh well.

any updates on the Hawk HPS 5.0???? Its been a few months and I want to get rid of my stock pads...the excessive brake dust is driving me crazy !!
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They are an excellent street pad. Less dust and more torque.
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They are an excellent street pad. Less dust and more torque.
I'm getting ready to finally buy some of these. Any updates? How is the overall dust output compared to the stock pads. Are they quiet? Hows the stopping power?

I keep hearing great things about these pads !!
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Maybe its because of the EPIC amount of dust produced by JLR brakes, but the standard pads seem fine?

Also, I would describe the standard brakes as feeling over-servo'd on initial application. Maybe I need to cook them a few times, although then they might lack some bite...
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I'm considering the Hawk HPS 5.0 and Porterfield RS-4. I don't track my car but rather looking for far less dust! Willing to sacrifice a little bit of performance for less dust and no noise.
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Since I don’t have an M2 I can’t really say how the stock pads are. I will say the Hawks are way less dusty than the stock pads on my Z4M. They make some noise sometimes on my Mazda. It comes and goes but mostly silent. I’m not sure how that compares to new BMW OEM pads. I have a suspicion they have gotten worse, in terms of bite, because of some of the new Euro regulations.

I don’t like the HPS 5.0 on my Mazda that much. They have less initial bite than the dusty OEM semi metal pad. Maybe this won’t happen with drilled rotors, but on cold rainy days I sometimes get a second of feeling no brake torque, like the water or vapor has to boil off before they work. It’s a little scary. It might be totally different on the M2 though.


In general I think OEM pads are usually abrasive friction types. A lot of aftermarket performance pads are primarily transfer layer/ adhesive friction pads. They need to be bedded in correctly and probably have a little less initial bite depending on the pad. Another low dust option is Carbotech 1521. Probably similar to the HPS though.

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      12-13-2018, 09:22 AM   #38
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Since I don't have an M2 I can't really say how the stock pads are. I will say the Hawks are way less dusty than the stock pads on my Z4M. They make some noise sometimes on my Mazda. It comes and goes but mostly silent. I'm not sure how that compares to new BMW OEM pads. I have a suspicion they have gotten worse, in terms of bite, because of some of the new Euro regulations.

I don't like the HPS 5.0 on my Mazda that much. They have less initial bite than the dusty OEM semi metal pad. Maybe this won't happen with drilled rotors, but on cold rainy days I sometimes get a second of feeling no brake torque, like the water or vapor has to boil off before they work. It's a little scary. It might be totally different on the M2 though.


In general I think OEM pads are usually abrasive friction types. A lot of aftermarket performance pads are primarily transfer layer/ adhesive friction pads. They need to be bedded in correctly and probably have a little less initial bite depending on the pad. Another low dust option is Carbotech 1521. Probably similar to the HPS though.
Thanks for the input. I will look into Carbotech as well.
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      12-17-2018, 10:04 PM   #39
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Anyone can comment on Endless mx72 in daily usage ( noise, dust), and track use (performance)? Maybe vs. hawk hp5.0 and OEM...
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An update for 2019 M2 Competition owners. We have the Ferodo DS2500 pads in stock and ready to ship for the six piston/four piston brake package:

Front= https://www.essexparts.com/ferodo-ds2500-brake-pads750

Rear= https://www.essexparts.com/ferodo-ds2500-brake-pads522
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An update for 2019 M2 Competition owners. We have the Ferodo DS2500 pads in stock and ready to ship for the six piston/four piston brake package:

Front= https://www.essexparts.com/ferodo-ds2500-brake-pads750

Rear= https://www.essexparts.com/ferodo-ds2500-brake-pads522
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I am a huge fan of Performance Friction products. The Z compound was a great street pad on my E46 M3. I am not sure if it is available for the F87s though. I don’t generally like Hawk pads, but I have the 5.0 on my Miata and they wave been much better than the older Hawk products I’ve used.
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Hi all, new here as well. I did ~15 or so track days in a modified Mustang before moving to Germany for work and getting an M2. I am also interested in this thread as having a single setup which work for street and track would be awesome, but my experiences with the slightly heavier and more powerful Mustang tell me otherwise.

I've used Raybestos and Carbotech/GLOC pads before. For the track on Max performance summer tires (Pirelli PZero and Bridgestone S04) I had great results with Carbotech XP8/10 combo. Almost no fade and 6+ track days per set. When I went to extreme performance summer tire (Hankook Ventus R-S3) I switched to Carbotech 10/12 combo. I was able to gain on Porsches and Corvettes in the brake zones.

But on heavier cars brake temps and fade are an issue. The XP10s were good to 1400F and I did overheat them a few times (shudder). The XP12s were solid to 2000F so no fade ever, but a set lasted 3 track days.

The BMW is a bit lighter (3450lbs in MT variant vs 3610lbs) and has ~50 less HP than the Mustang. Plus it has larger 2-piece rotors front and rear. I would stipulate that on the same day at the same track they brake temps of the bimmer would be lower, but has anyone checked brake temps at the track?

I ask because something like the Ferodo 2500 start loosing friction around 1100F, and I'm curious what people here have observed before I decide on next set of pads. Thanks!
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I am a huge fan of Performance Friction products. The Z compound was a great street pad on my E46 M3. I am not sure if it is available for the F87s though. I don’t generally like Hawk pads, but I have the 5.0 on my Miata and they wave been much better than the older Hawk products I’ve used.
Just installed a set of the Z-Rated pads for a local E46 M3 customer the other day. I personally had them on an E36 M3 and love them. No one every asked about the Z-Rated pads for the F8x M but I'll look into it.


Hawk 5.0 is available for the F87 M2(not the competition). It's not very popular with BMW owners though. However, most of our local Mustang customer love them! The 5.0 is an improvement over the older HPS compound.

https://www.hpashop.com/Hawk-Perform...ds-Hawk-50.htm
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