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Car and Driver has the following for their test results:
----- Mustang GT 0-60:4.5s 1/4 mile: 13.0 113mph http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...mustang-gt.pdf ----- M235i 0-60: 4.5s 1/4 mile: 13.1 108mph http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-revi...2014-bmw-m235i ----- M4 0-60: 3.9s 1/4 mile: 12.1 119mph http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...e-specs-page-4 I don't understand the Mustang GT vs M4 idea that everyone has. Missing a second on the quarter mile and half a second 0-60. The M235i test data is neck and neck with the Mustang GT in almost every category. The difference being the extra power with that V8. |
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10-06-2014, 03:10 AM | #90 | |
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Way to cherry pick your tests. The M4 was a DCT and the Mustang GT a manual - that's good for .4 sec of the difference right there. Apples to apples the GT will clearly be faster than the 235 and close enough as makes no difference to the M4.
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I hope you will continue to support manuals. Yes, the PDK is good and I traded my GTR, and CLA45 because the auto became boring to drive. For low traffic area the manual is much more of a drivers car in my opinion. The stick is the reason I did not get a Porsche Macan as my daily driver. I really like that vehicle. Drive like a sports car and easy to use and get around in. I may get one in addition but, not as a replacement for stick. |
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10-07-2014, 06:39 AM | #94 | |
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I'll definitely be sticking with MT, whether I decide to go with M2 or M3, that's another story.
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I would also point out that the DCT is only worth 0.2 seconds according to BMW. |
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Acceleration tests with the auto GT are not out yet but given that the auto is a very modern sport-oriented one it's likely very close to a DCT in performance - it will have locking clutches (or whatever the term is) for all gears other than first to eliminate the typical power-sapping slippage of a conventional auto tranny when shifting. The one thing working against the Mustang is relative engine power - apparently the M3/4 powerplant is seriously under-rated by BMW, it's getting near the specc'ed values at the wheels in dyno runs. |
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10-08-2014, 02:29 PM | #101 |
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Take the mustang troll talk somewhere else please
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10-09-2014, 10:35 AM | #103 | |
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Nobody buys a M2, to have back seats, it is for duffle bags, etc. If the M2 is $55k.. many people will opt for a Corvette. Which can have magnetic ride and BMW doesn't offer. People don't buy a BMW M's for non-performance.. (), ..so "sported out car" is exactly what these buyers are looking for. |
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10-09-2014, 11:24 AM | #104 | |
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That's not the point though. Some of us are looking for cars that can do everything well. Who the hell are you to say what people buy their M's for? If it doesn't suit your need, then don't buy it. But stop trolling please.
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That was the point. How many times do you throw your kids in the back and hit the nurb..? All the time, or twice every 5 years..? Don't dismiss a comments, because your needs for a sport car handling, includes a utilitarian back seat. All-of-a-sudden your priorities/needs change..? Coincidentally, most don't take 4 people in a Corvette to the beach... you meet people there. Or take your SUV and pile everyone in. What you really wanted, is what every American male my age has wanted, the M135i... which is a 5-door barn stormer that BMW refused to sell here. Instead I am stuck with a 135is.. that isn't track ready and now looking to buy a SUV for utility. So no matter anyone's personal situation, a $52k M2 will easily be compared to the C7, &/or the new Mustang. Pro tip, BMW's backseats aren't magical.. |
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Why are we talking about mustangs again...
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I'm definitely interested in the M2 because it is a practical car (large trunk and backseats to occasionally carry someone). Just like I have with my 135i.
Why? Because if performance is the only criterion, then it makes more sense to buy a real sports car that is not compromised by being based on a "saloon" car. I don't know why people think M cars are solely about performance. If that is the case, they would take out the back seats to save weight and make the entire car a lot more focused. M cars are about having an awesome chassis wrapped in a practical package. |
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We are here because we are interested in an M2. Whether it's because we like the looks of it, or because it's more practical than a C7, or because it's more fuel efficient than an S65, who the hell cares? Who cares if I go to the beach with friends once a year or 3 times a week? I know what I need my cars to do.
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I personally looooove the new Stingray. That thing is so gorgeous I would sleep with it. Would I own one? Absolutely! If I had a family hauler then I could get a 2 seater car. However, if I'm looking for an every day performance car, I would look into something like an M3, 235i, etc. It all boils down to personal needs and preferences. I for sure did not cross shop the C7 before picking up the 235i. I am interested in the M2 but I won't be cross shopping it with the C7 either. |
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