BMW M2 totaled after hooning at car meet

Stu Pedasho · 06-16-2017, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Corinne

Perhaps he just didn't realise his car had Continentals....

Ouch!

LBBF87 · 06-16-2017, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by chmura

Age certainly plays a factor in this. People that are saying age has nothing to do this are pretty naive. The probability of showing off your brand new sports car (that your parents paid for) increases significantly with someone being a young male. Why insurance rates sky rocket when you are 18-26 years old with a fast car?

I have a 5-year-old son and he is getting a used 5-10-year-old Honda Civic as his first car when he goes to college regardless of how wealthy or poor I am. My parents did the same to me. They purchased my first car for me, a $2500 manual 5 speed 1986 Audi 5000 and I really liked it. After that, I purchased all my cars myself without my parents help.

Of course, there are a lot of responsible young males out there but the probability and statistics are not in their favor.

We would all obviously parent our kids slightly differently and this is certainly not an attack on your parenting but to me, this doesn't make sense.

Why put your son in a car that comparably is less safe in the event of an accident. There's no way a 10 year old civic will withstand an accident as well as a "modern" car.

I would imagine if you taught your child to respect driving, and the road, all while laying out severe enough consequences if they choose not to you would mitigate the chances of them being stupid and irresponsible. All while increasing the chances they survive a major accident in a more modern and safe car.

Then all you have to worry about is the rest of the world. The ones who are texting, smoking, doing their makeup, or even reading while driving. Regardless of how good of a driver you are, you can't always protect yourself from other idiots. This is where the car comes in. An old civic will not be able to withstand an accident like a modern 3 series would be able to.

ORIGIN M. · 06-16-2017, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by LBBF87

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Originally Posted by chmura

Age certainly plays a factor in this. People that are saying age has nothing to do this are pretty naive. The probability of showing off your brand new sports car (that your parents paid for) increases significantly with someone being a young male. Why insurance rates sky rocket when you are 18-26 years old with a fast car?

I have a 5-year-old son and he is getting a used 5-10-year-old Honda Civic as his first car when he goes to college regardless of how wealthy or poor I am. My parents did the same to me. They purchased my first car for me, a $2500 manual 5 speed 1986 Audi 5000 and I really liked it. After that, I purchased all my cars myself without my parents help.

Of course, there are a lot of responsible young males out there but the probability and statistics are not in their favor.

We would all obviously parent our kids slightly differently and this is certainly not an attack on your parenting but to me, this doesn't make sense.

Why put your son in a car that comparably is less safe in the event of an accident. There's no way a 10 year old civic will withstand an accident as well as a "modern" car.

I would imagine if you taught your child to respect driving, and the road, all while laying out severe enough consequences if they choose not to you would mitigate the chances of them being stupid and irresponsible. All while increasing the chances they survive a major accident in a more modern and safe car.

Then all you have to worry about is the rest of the world. The ones who are texting, smoking, doing their makeup, or even reading while driving. Regardless of how good of a driver you are, you can't always protect yourself from other idiots. This is where the car comes in. An old civic will not be able to withstand an accident like a modern 3 series would be able to.

Write the check !

Aronis · 06-16-2017, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by M2LA

no coffee yet but you are joking, right?

Come on, you had to ask that??????

:happya nim:

Mike

Yes, joking.

Msmall143 · 06-16-2017, 01:27 PM

its not the car. its not like a few HP made this happen. i tend to believe people that do this stuff would do it in whatever they are driving. Its not like he was driving a 1000 hp build vehicle. m2 is pretty tame and has the tech to keep you safe if you are at all responsible. he would have wrecked a civic or lambo...result was inevitable when you approach the responsibility of driving like he did.

obviously age matters, but its more about life experiences that teach you how to act and the age is relevant because you have more life experiences with age. it just happens that his first set of consequences are severe.

3Si · 06-16-2017, 01:48 PM

365 hp sports car is very different than a 100 hp Corolla... Had I owned an M2 when I was 20, I doubt I'd be alive right now. No way will my kids be driving anything more than 200 HP. Then again, in 6 years, everything will probably be electric and self-driven.

Spa2k · 06-16-2017, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 3Si

Then again, in 6 years, everything will probably be electric and self-driven.

Shame on you for thinking such a thing.

I'm sure all autonomous cars will be perfectly programmed and able to handle an out-of-control M2 approaching sideways at 100+ mph around a blind curve.

kgroschi · 06-16-2017, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by E39hijinks

Nah. that car's nothing special safety wise. its chassis is actually kind of bendy compared to today's cars. to tesla's credit, the design is old af and it's one of their first cars. good but not great.

the 2 series is actually the more impressive/stiffer chassis.

this is my wheelhouse.

i could go on forever on excruciating specifics.

I am not gonna start an endless argument but you're wrong by saying it's nothing special safety wise. Its chassis is INCREDIBLE stiff and it got the best safety rating of any car ever tested. Just a few weeks ago the Model X got rated the safest SUV on the market. But go on, keep on going with your hater comments

akkando · 06-16-2017, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kgroschi

I am not gonna start an endless argument but you're wrong by saying it's nothing special safety wise. Its chassis is INCREDIBLE stiff and it got the best safety rating of any car ever tested. Just a few weeks ago the Model X got rated the safest SUV on the market. But go on, keep on going with your hater comments

But Tesla is electric WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Tralfaz · 06-16-2017, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by E39hijinks

Nah. that car's nothing special safety wise. its chassis is actually kind of bendy compared to today's cars. to tesla's credit, the design is old af and it's one of their first cars. good but not great.

A friend has a Tesla Model S I've ridden in a few times. If one wanted to ding it on something, safety and chassis would not be problems with it. (Body design is a matter of taste).

However, you will never track it (or if you do it will keep overheating) and it isn't going to be as dynamic in the turns since you have a lot of weight low in the chassis with 1200lbs of battery there. He's a super Tesla fan and even he said it handles a bit like a boat. Even if it's not my thing, I have to say it's a great car. Two other people I work with have Model S's and two others have Model X's.

AndyinHou · 06-16-2017, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Spa2k

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Originally Posted by 3Si

Then again, in 6 years, everything will probably be electric and self-driven.

Shame on you for thinking such a thing.

I'm sure all autonomous cars will be perfectly programmed and able to handle an out-of-control M2 approaching sideways at 100+ mph around a blind curve.

Yup. Just ask Tesla...

ORIGIN M. · 06-17-2017, 12:06 AM

Basically this crazy sucker flew into the woods so fast by the time he saw the silver car he overreacted loosing control hitting soft-shoulder turning the car on it's side hitting the trees hood-first sliding to a stop further down the road.

The silver car seeing it first hand is truly blessed not to be killed.

2M · 06-17-2017, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Tralfaz

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Originally Posted by E39hijinks

Nah. that car's nothing special safety wise. its chassis is actually kind of bendy compared to today's cars. to tesla's credit, the design is old af and it's one of their first cars. good but not great.

A friend has a Tesla Model S I've ridden in a few times. If one wanted to ding it on something, safety and chassis would not be problems with it. (Body design is a matter of taste).

However, you will never track it (or if you do it will keep overheating) and it isn't going to be as dynamic in the turns since you have a lot of weight low in the chassis with 1200lbs of battery there. He's a super Tesla fan and even he said it handles a bit like a boat. Even if it's not my thing, I have to say it's a great car. Two other people I work with have Model S's and two others have Model X's.

4,500 to 4900 lbs ! Tesla is a disgusting fat pig

ORIGIN M. · 06-17-2017, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 2M

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Originally Posted by Tralfaz

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Originally Posted by E39hijinks

Nah. that car's nothing special safety wise. its chassis is actually kind of bendy compared to today's cars. to tesla's credit, the design is old af and it's one of their first cars. good but not great.

A friend has a Tesla Model S I've ridden in a few times. If one wanted to ding it on something, safety and chassis would not be problems with it. (Body design is a matter of taste).

However, you will never track it (or if you do it will keep overheating) and it isn't going to be as dynamic in the turns since you have a lot of weight low in the chassis with 1200lbs of battery there. He's a super Tesla fan and even he said it handles a bit like a boat. Even if it's not my thing, I have to say it's a great car. Two other people I work with have Model S's and two others have Model X's.

4,500 to 4900 lbs ! Tesla is a disgusting fat pig

Absolutely but it can kill just about anything in its path long enough to embarrass the shit out of them.

taibanl · 06-17-2017, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by LBBF87

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Originally Posted by chmura

Age certainly plays a factor in this. People that are saying age has nothing to do this are pretty naive. The probability of showing off your brand new sports car (that your parents paid for) increases significantly with someone being a young male. Why insurance rates sky rocket when you are 18-26 years old with a fast car?

I have a 5-year-old son and he is getting a used 5-10-year-old Honda Civic as his first car when he goes to college regardless of how wealthy or poor I am. My parents did the same to me. They purchased my first car for me, a $2500 manual 5 speed 1986 Audi 5000 and I really liked it. After that, I purchased all my cars myself without my parents help.

Of course, there are a lot of responsible young males out there but the probability and statistics are not in their favor.

We would all obviously parent our kids slightly differently and this is certainly not an attack on your parenting but to me, this doesn't make sense.

Why put your son in a car that comparably is less safe in the event of an accident. There's no way a 10 year old civic will withstand an accident as well as a "modern" car.

I would imagine if you taught your child to respect driving, and the road, all while laying out severe enough consequences if they choose not to you would mitigate the chances of them being stupid and irresponsible. All while increasing the chances they survive a major accident in a more modern and safe car.

Then all you have to worry about is the rest of the world. The ones who are texting, smoking, doing their makeup, or even reading while driving. Regardless of how good of a driver you are, you can't always protect yourself from other idiots. This is where the car comes in. An old civic will not be able to withstand an accident like a modern 3 series would be able to.

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Originally Posted by LBBF87

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Originally Posted by chmura

Age certainly plays a factor in this. People that are saying age has nothing to do this are pretty naive. The probability of showing off your brand new sports car (that your parents paid for) increases significantly with someone being a young male. Why insurance rates sky rocket when you are 18-26 years old with a fast car?

I have a 5-year-old son and he is getting a used 5-10-year-old Honda Civic as his first car when he goes to college regardless of how wealthy or poor I am. My parents did the same to me. They purchased my first car for me, a $2500 manual 5 speed 1986 Audi 5000 and I really liked it. After that, I purchased all my cars myself without my parents help.

Of course, there are a lot of responsible young males out there but the probability and statistics are not in their favor.

We would all obviously parent our kids slightly differently and this is certainly not an attack on your parenting but to me, this doesn't make sense.

Why put your son in a car that comparably is less safe in the event of an accident. There's no way a 10 year old civic will withstand an accident as well as a "modern" car.

I would imagine if you taught your child to respect driving, and the road, all while laying out severe enough consequences if they choose not to you would mitigate the chances of them being stupid and irresponsible. All while increasing the chances they survive a major accident in a more modern and safe car.

Then all you have to worry about is the rest of the world. The ones who are texting, smoking, doing their makeup, or even reading while driving. Regardless of how good of a driver you are, you can't always protect yourself from other idiots. This is where the car comes in. An old civic will not be able to withstand an accident like a modern 3 series would be able to.

LMAO. A 10 year old civic is not drastically less crashworthy than a late year BMW. You have drunk too much forum cool aid. Additionally, the chance of getting into a wreck where you will need the marginally greater amount if protection is significantly greater if there is more car than a young driver can handle.

Heck-even at all levels of HPDE, the instructors teach ADULTS to learn to master a less powerful car before upgrading. In young ones including young adults the brains risk centers are not fully developed until ~25-26 years of age.

LBBF87 · 06-17-2017, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by taibanl

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Originally Posted by LBBF87

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Originally Posted by chmura

Age certainly plays a factor in this. People that are saying age has nothing to do this are pretty naive. The probability of showing off your brand new sports car (that your parents paid for) increases significantly with someone being a young male. Why insurance rates sky rocket when you are 18-26 years old with a fast car?

I have a 5-year-old son and he is getting a used 5-10-year-old Honda Civic as his first car when he goes to college regardless of how wealthy or poor I am. My parents did the same to me. They purchased my first car for me, a $2500 manual 5 speed 1986 Audi 5000 and I really liked it. After that, I purchased all my cars myself without my parents help.

Of course, there are a lot of responsible young males out there but the probability and statistics are not in their favor.

We would all obviously parent our kids slightly differently and this is certainly not an attack on your parenting but to me, this doesn't make sense.

Why put your son in a car that comparably is less safe in the event of an accident. There's no way a 10 year old civic will withstand an accident as well as a "modern" car.

I would imagine if you taught your child to respect driving, and the road, all while laying out severe enough consequences if they choose not to you would mitigate the chances of them being stupid and irresponsible. All while increasing the chances they survive a major accident in a more modern and safe car.

Then all you have to worry about is the rest of the world. The ones who are texting, smoking, doing their makeup, or even reading while driving. Regardless of how good of a driver you are, you can't always protect yourself from other idiots. This is where the car comes in. An old civic will not be able to withstand an accident like a modern 3 series would be able to.

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Originally Posted by LBBF87

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Originally Posted by chmura

Age certainly plays a factor in this. People that are saying age has nothing to do this are pretty naive. The probability of showing off your brand new sports car (that your parents paid for) increases significantly with someone being a young male. Why insurance rates sky rocket when you are 18-26 years old with a fast car?

I have a 5-year-old son and he is getting a used 5-10-year-old Honda Civic as his first car when he goes to college regardless of how wealthy or poor I am. My parents did the same to me. They purchased my first car for me, a $2500 manual 5 speed 1986 Audi 5000 and I really liked it. After that, I purchased all my cars myself without my parents help.

Of course, there are a lot of responsible young males out there but the probability and statistics are not in their favor.

We would all obviously parent our kids slightly differently and this is certainly not an attack on your parenting but to me, this doesn't make sense.

Why put your son in a car that comparably is less safe in the event of an accident. There's no way a 10 year old civic will withstand an accident as well as a "modern" car.

I would imagine if you taught your child to respect driving, and the road, all while laying out severe enough consequences if they choose not to you would mitigate the chances of them being stupid and irresponsible. All while increasing the chances they survive a major accident in a more modern and safe car.

Then all you have to worry about is the rest of the world. The ones who are texting, smoking, doing their makeup, or even reading while driving. Regardless of how good of a driver you are, you can't always protect yourself from other idiots. This is where the car comes in. An old civic will not be able to withstand an accident like a modern 3 series would be able to.

LMAO. A 10 year old civic is not drastically less crashworthy than a late year BMW. You have drunk too much forum cool aid. Additionally, the chance of getting into a wreck where you will need the marginally greater amount if protection is significantly greater if there is more car than a young driver can handle.

Heck-even at all levels of HPDE, the instructors teach ADULTS to learn to master a less powerful car before upgrading. In young ones including young adults the brains risk centers are not fully developed until ~25-26 years of age.

You might have lived under a rock for the past ten years. With the advancements in technology and materials engineering there is absolutely zero chance that a ten year old civic performs even close to a modern civic. In both crash prevention and in crash performance.

Edit: If someone goes looking for trouble (doing 100+) on public roads, it won't matter if they are in a lambo or a civic. They will both hit 100, and it's arguably more dangerous in a civic as in no way are they made for those speeds.

I also did my first HPDE at 18. Started on a E92 M3, did one more and was moved to intermediate. So your ADULTS emphasis isn't really needed. Many CCA instructors I know personally enjoy "KIDS" over ADULTS because they often learn quicker, and follow instruction better. (It's not always the case I'm sure).

ORIGIN M. · 06-17-2017, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by LBBF87

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Originally Posted by taibanl

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Originally Posted by LBBF87

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Originally Posted by chmura

Age certainly plays a factor in this. People that are saying age has nothing to do this are pretty naive. The probability of showing off your brand new sports car (that your parents paid for) increases significantly with someone being a young male. Why insurance rates sky rocket when you are 18-26 years old with a fast car?

I have a 5-year-old son and he is getting a used 5-10-year-old Honda Civic as his first car when he goes to college regardless of how wealthy or poor I am. My parents did the same to me. They purchased my first car for me, a $2500 manual 5 speed 1986 Audi 5000 and I really liked it. After that, I purchased all my cars myself without my parents help.

Of course, there are a lot of responsible young males out there but the probability and statistics are not in their favor.

We would all obviously parent our kids slightly differently and this is certainly not an attack on your parenting but to me, this doesn't make sense.

Why put your son in a car that comparably is less safe in the event of an accident. There's no way a 10 year old civic will withstand an accident as well as a "modern" car.

I would imagine if you taught your child to respect driving, and the road, all while laying out severe enough consequences if they choose not to you would mitigate the chances of them being stupid and irresponsible. All while increasing the chances they survive a major accident in a more modern and safe car.

Then all you have to worry about is the rest of the world. The ones who are texting, smoking, doing their makeup, or even reading while driving. Regardless of how good of a driver you are, you can't always protect yourself from other idiots. This is where the car comes in. An old civic will not be able to withstand an accident like a modern 3 series would be able to.

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Originally Posted by LBBF87

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Originally Posted by chmura

Age certainly plays a factor in this. People that are saying age has nothing to do this are pretty naive. The probability of showing off your brand new sports car (that your parents paid for) increases significantly with someone being a young male. Why insurance rates sky rocket when you are 18-26 years old with a fast car?

I have a 5-year-old son and he is getting a used 5-10-year-old Honda Civic as his first car when he goes to college regardless of how wealthy or poor I am. My parents did the same to me. They purchased my first car for me, a $2500 manual 5 speed 1986 Audi 5000 and I really liked it. After that, I purchased all my cars myself without my parents help.

Of course, there are a lot of responsible young males out there but the probability and statistics are not in their favor.

We would all obviously parent our kids slightly differently and this is certainly not an attack on your parenting but to me, this doesn't make sense.

Why put your son in a car that comparably is less safe in the event of an accident. There's no way a 10 year old civic will withstand an accident as well as a "modern" car.

I would imagine if you taught your child to respect driving, and the road, all while laying out severe enough consequences if they choose not to you would mitigate the chances of them being stupid and irresponsible. All while increasing the chances they survive a major accident in a more modern and safe car.

Then all you have to worry about is the rest of the world. The ones who are texting, smoking, doing their makeup, or even reading while driving. Regardless of how good of a driver you are, you can't always protect yourself from other idiots. This is where the car comes in. An old civic will not be able to withstand an accident like a modern 3 series would be able to.

LMAO. A 10 year old civic is not drastically less crashworthy than a late year BMW. You have drunk too much forum cool aid. Additionally, the chance of getting into a wreck where you will need the marginally greater amount if protection is significantly greater if there is more car than a young driver can handle.

Heck-even at all levels of HPDE, the instructors teach ADULTS to learn to master a less powerful car before upgrading. In young ones including young adults the brains risk centers are not fully developed until ~25-26 years of age.

You might have lived under a rock for the past ten years. With the advancements in technology and materials engineering there is absolutely zero chance that a ten year old civic performs even close to a modern civic. In both crash prevention and in crash performance.

True that

Dylan86 · 06-17-2017, 03:45 PM

Excessive speeds and reckless driving on public roads will eventually end up in disaster, just ask pro driver Roger Rodas and our old boy Paul Walker, didn't work out for them either...

Sad sight

.. Glad they are still alive. Sucks, but if you live for speed on public and populated streets you should prepare to die, at any time, and don't take anyone along for the ride, either! Speed kills, take it to the track!

823BMW · 06-17-2017, 04:58 PM

For the speed and the impact, the M2 looks to have faired reasonably well but the real proof is in the status of occupants -- does anyone have an update on their condition since medphysdave on 6/14/17?

Crashworthiness has improved significantly in the last 10 years and even greater compared to 20 years ago:
http://www.businessinsider.com/euro-...ears-on-2017-2

Most vehicles had to be reengineered to meet the demanding small offset frontal test added by the IIHS in 2012. Many performed poorly and some were not as good as would have been expected -- i.e. the BMW 3 series -- it did only Marginal on the small offset frontal collision until November 2016:
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/news/deskto...eries-2-series

The 2 series has been a Top Safety Pick Plus since 2014!

M3 Adjuster · 06-17-2017, 05:01 PM

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365 hp sports car is very different than a 100 hp Corolla... Had I owned an M2 when I was 20, I doubt I'd be alive right now. No way will my kids be driving anything more than 200 HP. Then again, in 6 years, everything will probably be electric and self-driven.

if you are lucky!

M3 Adjuster · 06-17-2017, 05:04 PM

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Write the check !

I'm with @chmura on this.. my daughter is in a 10 year old BMW.. not a 10 year old Honda..
The 10 year old BMW is absolutely a more solid car than a 10 year old Honda and perhaps more crashworthy than a 2017 Honda.

Even if could afford to put her in a 2017 BMW... the new car is so much faster.. and has so much more potential for *faster*... I wouldn't pay for a new vehicle and then watch something like this happen..

(Two high school girls died when their Macan GTS crashed into a tree)

http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/colli...eens/420425282

PS.. YES.. my daughter (or someone driving it) crashed her first car.. a 2001 E46 325 convertible.. into a red curb hard enough to cause the side airbag to deploy.
I was absolutely happy that she was in an E46 and not say.. an E90 335 convertible which would be even faster going into the curb..

823BMW · 06-17-2017, 05:42 PM

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Write the check !

I'm with @chmura on this.. my daughter is in a 10 year old BMW.. not a 10 year old Honda..
The 10 year old BMW is absolutely a more solid car than a 10 year old Honda and perhaps more crashworthy than a 2017 Honda.

Even if could afford to put her in a 2017 BMW... the new car is so much faster.. and has so much more potential for *faster*... I wouldn't pay for a new vehicle and then watch something like this happen..

(Two high school girls died when their Macan GTS crashed into a tree)

http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/colli...eens/420425282

PS.. YES.. my daughter (or someone driving it) crashed her first car.. a 2001 E46 325 convertible.. into a red curb hard enough to cause the side airbag to deploy.
I was absolutely happy that she was in an E46 and not say.. an E90 335 convertible which would be even faster going into the curb..

Honda has been turning in really good crash results. The IIHS data for especially the last 5 years shows Honda's ACE body structure has performed very well with many more Top Safety Pick Plus ratings than BMW. Crashworthiness is also dependent on weight and size, which is one reason I don't mind too much that the M2 weighs in around 3500 pounds. Smaller cars don't do as well in matchups because of weight -- one of the reasons I talked myself out of a Certified Preowned i3 (with the M2, not to substitute -- just think the tech is cool). An older matchup test from the IIHS shows the weight difference:
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/news/deskto...onomy-policies

I personally went for a Top Safety Pick Plus 2017 Honda Accord for my teenager with the Honda Sensing system that will avoid a 25mph rear end collision.

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Msmall143 Lieutenant 270 Rep 486 Posts Drives: BMW M4, BMW S1000RR Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Loudon VA iTrader: (0)	its not the car. its not like a few HP made this happen. i tend to believe people that do this stuff would do it in whatever they are driving. Its not like he was driving a 1000 hp build vehicle. m2 is pretty tame and has the tech to keep you safe if you are at all responsible. he would have wrecked a civic or lambo...result was inevitable when you approach the responsibility of driving like he did. obviously age matters, but its more about life experiences that teach you how to act and the age is relevant because you have more life experiences with age. it just happens that his first set of consequences are severe.
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3Si Second Lieutenant 217 Rep 228 Posts Drives: 16 M2, 16 Macan S, 08 Elise SC Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Toronto iTrader: (0)	365 hp sports car is very different than a 100 hp Corolla... Had I owned an M2 when I was 20, I doubt I'd be alive right now. No way will my kids be driving anything more than 200 HP. Then again, in 6 years, everything will probably be electric and self-driven.
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ORIGIN M. Banned 3161 Rep 9,134 Posts Drives: ///M Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northern Hemisphere iTrader: (0)	Basically this crazy sucker flew into the woods so fast by the time he saw the silver car he overreacted loosing control hitting soft-shoulder turning the car on it's side hitting the trees hood-first sliding to a stop further down the road. The silver car seeing it first hand is truly blessed not to be killed.
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Dylan86 Colonel 1330 Rep 2,214 Posts Drives: F15d msport, F22 m235i Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: GTA iTrader: (0)	Excessive speeds and reckless driving on public roads will eventually end up in disaster, just ask pro driver Roger Rodas and our old boy Paul Walker, didn't work out for them either... Sad sight .. Glad they are still alive. Sucks, but if you live for speed on public and populated streets you should prepare to die, at any time, and don't take anyone along for the ride, either! Speed kills, take it to the track!
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823BMW Private First Class 198 Rep 120 Posts Drives: 2020 X5, 2020 Tesla Y, 2020 Z4 Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Florida iTrader: (0)	For the speed and the impact, the M2 looks to have faired reasonably well but the real proof is in the status of occupants -- does anyone have an update on their condition since medphysdave on 6/14/17? Crashworthiness has improved significantly in the last 10 years and even greater compared to 20 years ago: http://www.businessinsider.com/euro-...ears-on-2017-2 Most vehicles had to be reengineered to meet the demanding small offset frontal test added by the IIHS in 2012. Many performed poorly and some were not as good as would have been expected -- i.e. the BMW 3 series -- it did only Marginal on the small offset frontal collision until November 2016: http://www.iihs.org/iihs/news/deskto...eries-2-series The 2 series has been a Top Safety Pick Plus since 2014!
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