[mtoosexy]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

Don’t understand why people have to make all these justifications to tell others why they think the N55 is better for them.

Foe people who believe that the S55 sounds terrible and they don’t need the extra performance from the S55 or cared about tuning potential, buy the N55 M2. Buy it now and no waiting is required.

Half of the M owners I know have taken their M car/s to track so I know there will be quite a fair few that are eyeing the CS, Competition when ther are out.

What about the guys who want the tuning potential and extra power but think the sound is TERRIBLE? I know there are at least a few of us out here.
my thinking is grab an LCI 18' and drop in some dinan goodies and a down pipe. Only thing I think I would miss out on is POSSIBLE seat upgrade and/or front facia etc..
Talked to my dealer today and they had no idea about any sort of M2 upgrade. Talked to 3 different salesmen about it. Cant say I am surprised plus, if I was running the company I wouldn't let the grunts know early either.

[mWHO]

I was admiring this pic of the M2 on BMWUSA.com and noticed the colour of the vehicle its chasing

Valencia Orange?

https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/m-models.html

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by mWHO

I was admiring this pic of the M2 on BMWUSA.com and noticed the colour of the vehicle its chasing

Valencia Orange?

https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/m-models.html

Valencia Orange 1M

[JPizzz]

Is the CF roof looking like a possibility?

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by JPizzz

Is the CF roof looking like a possibility?

Not for Competition.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by JPizzz

Is the CF roof looking like a possibility?

[ZM2]

Originally Posted by mtoosexy

What about the guys who want the tuning potential and extra power but think the sound is TERRIBLE? I know there are at least a few of us out here.
my thinking is grab an LCI 18' and drop in some dinan goodies and a down pipe. Only thing I think I would miss out on is POSSIBLE seat upgrade and/or front facia etc..
Talked to my dealer today and they had no idea about any sort of M2 upgrade. Talked to 3 different salesmen about it. Cant say I am surprised plus, if I was running the company I wouldn't let the grunts know early either.

Exactly what I’ve done and love it. Plus, I do not like the on track power application of the S55, it’s not nearly as linear or smooth, especially in the upper RPMs. Throttle modulation is much better with the N55.

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by ZM2

Exactly what I’ve done and love it. Plus, I do not like the on track power application of the S55, it’s not nearly as linear or smooth, especially in the upper RPMs. Throttle modulation is much better with the N55.

Same here. 446 Dinan advertised HP plus another ~20 from DP. So, about 55 more than the upcoming Compettion while retaining the amazing M2 sound.

[momo3605]

Originally Posted by ZM2

Exactly what I’ve done and love it. Plus, I do not like the on track power application of the S55, it’s not nearly as linear or smooth, especially in the upper RPMs. Throttle modulation is much better with the N55.

If they use a modified S55 with smaller turbo, it might have more linear power delivery.

[ZM2]

Originally Posted by momo3605

If they use a modified S55 with smaller turbo, it might have more linear power delivery.

True. We’ll have to see how they’re detuning the motor, hardware or software. Then there’s still the exhaust sound issue.

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by ZM2

True. We’ll have to see how they’re detuning the motor, hardware or software. Then there’s still the exhaust sound issue.

I am hoping the de-tuning is done via software. I can't imagine BMW wants to build another variant of the S55 motor.

[Bluenose-2er]

Originally Posted by ChrisK

I am hoping the de-tuning is done via software. I can't imagine BMW wants to build another variant of the S55 motor.

Alternatively, I can't imagine BMW wants to be selling a car that can be simply flash-tuned up to M4 performance without any other changes... what would be the point? Hardware change to address the linearity of the delivery makes sense.

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by Bluenose-2er

Alternatively, I can't imagine BMW wants to be selling a car that can be simply flash-tuned up to M4 performance without any other changes... what would be the point? Hardware change to address the linearity of the delivery makes sense.

Hopefully we find out soon.

[Tag]

As an engineer myself (albeit not mechanical) I can appreciate the amount of work it would take to strap on a different turbo setup and what the implications for such a strategy would involve. You'd be surprised how many variables come into play. If they can keep the current turbo and other ancillaries devices and simply detune the s55 they will. Doesn't make sense to put in the R&D and associated costs into a revised setup unless they absolutely have to in order to make it work as intended.

[Wilsm2]

Originally Posted by Bluenose-2er

Alternatively, I can't imagine BMW wants to be selling a car that can be simply flash-tuned up to M4 performance without any other changes... what would be the point? Hardware change to address the linearity of the delivery makes sense.

And don't forget, they are there to make money.they are not going to sell a car a lot cheaper than a M4 and let you just flash it for peanuts and have the same performance.

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by Tag

As an engineer myself (albeit not mechanical) I can appreciate the amount of work it would take to strap on a different turbo setup and what the implications for such a strategy would involve. You'd be surprised how many variables come into play. If they can keep the current turbo and other ancillaries devices and simply detune the s55 they will. Doesn't make sense to put in the R&D and associated costs into a revised setup unless they absolutely have to in order to make it work as intended.

^Agreed. It's a hard pill to swallow that BMW put extra R&D into de-tuning the S55 just for the M2 when all roads lead to an S58 variant in the next M2/M3/M4. Financially it doesn't make sense.

On the flipside - BMW and I don't always see eye to eye anymore.

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by Wilsm2

And don't forget, they are there to make money.they are not going to sell a car a lot cheaper than a M4 and let you just flash it for peanuts and have the same performance.

Sorry to say, they have done it before and you didn't even need to flash it.
1M vs 2011 E92 M3

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/bmw/1...m3-comparison/

[Wilsm2]

Originally Posted by ChrisK

Sorry to say, they have done it before and you didn't even need to flash it.
1M vs 2011 E92 M3

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/bmw/1...m3-comparison/

That's very generous of BMW, they always try to screw you after they have sold you the car. Lol

[akkando]

Originally Posted by ChrisK

^Agreed. It's a hard pill to swallow that BMW put extra R&D into de-tuning the S55 just for the M2 when all roads lead to an S58 variant in the next M2/M3/M4. Financially it doesn't make sense.

On the flipside - BMW and I don't always see eye to eye anymore.

It's not worth their time to do a lot of R&D on this car for two more years of production on a non halo car, it's supposed to be the entry M mode, and they don't even want to sell many of them, they rather you buy an SUV, optioned m240, or M4.

I predict you'll be able to just throw a random cheap tune on it and be at full S55 power levels or beyond. It won't hurt BMW in the marketing because the journalist NEVER mention what you can do with cheap mods. They complain about ASD but don't mention for $40 you can be rid of it. So the reviews are not going to mention the tune takes it to M4 levels for a grand of tuning work, it's just going to be a handful of potential buyers who are aware of that.

[blackholescion]

Originally Posted by ChrisK

Sorry to say, they have done it before and you didn't even need to flash it.
1M vs 2011 E92 M3

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/bmw/1...m3-comparison/

Wat. Comparing a turbo to N/A here versus the same motor just in different cars. There's a lot that can be done to make sure it doesn't encroach for any reasonable money not the least of which is releasing it close to the launch of the G80. See GT4, Porsche. Even though that was a different motor but still NA compared to the GT3 at the time.

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by blackholescion

Wat. Comparing a turbo to N/A here versus the same motor just in different cars. There's a lot that can be done to make sure it doesn't encroach for any reasonable money not the least of which is releasing it close to the launch of the G80. See GT4, Porsche. Even though that was a different motor but still NA compared to the GT3 at the time.

We are talking about marketing and financial strategies - nothing more. This has nothing to do with turbo vs NA. It's about bang for the buck. BMW has made an equally powerful car as its big brother for less money.

[Tag]

MY18 M2

• 365 hp @ 6500 rpm
• Curb weight 3,450 lbs.
• HP to Weight Ratio: 0.1058

MY18 M4

• 425 hp @ 5500 rpm
• Curb weight 3,565 lbs.
• HP to Weight Ratio: 0.1192

MY19 M2 Competition

• 405 hp @ 5,500 rpm (Est.)
• Curb weight 3,450 lbs. (Est.)
• HP to Weight Ratio: 0.1174 (Est.)

Did this as a fun little exercise, assuming the weight will be roughly the same.