[DrtyJrze]

Originally Posted by jawwadh

The m4 and m2 are nowhere close in a straight line... 0-60 mph is useless as the m4 fights for traction.. look at 0-100 and 0-130.. 8.6 vs 10.0 .. 14.6 vs 18

Not even close

Shhh... Let them find out IRL when they challenge the local M3/4 and get smoked. Or go to a proper track.

Ultimately you get what you pay for, especially when the two cars are made by the same company (M2=little sister)

[MTHRAR]

Wow, some of the M3/M4 guys are insufferable. Can't everyone just enjoy their cars? I love the M3/4, but I didn't want to spend $15K-$20K more just to say that I'm better than someone else because I have twin turbos, better leather, M Mirrors etc etc. For me, the M2 hit the sweet spot with price/performance/aesthetics. I know it won't be as fast as an M3/4, but people do have high expectations of the power numbers. For me, as long as it's fun, I don't give a rats ass about "fictitious numbers".

Enjoy your cars, whatever you have people!!!

[Reedomn]

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[FrankMPower]

Originally Posted by MTHRAR

Wow, some of the M3/M4 guys are insufferable. Can't everyone just enjoy their cars? I love the M3/4, but I didn't want to spend $15K-$20K more just to say that I'm better than someone else because I have twin turbos, better leather, M Mirrors etc etc. For me, the M2 hit the sweet spot with price/performance/aesthetics. I know it won't be as fast as an M3/4, but people do have high expectations of the power numbers. For me, as long as it's fun, I don't give a rats ass about "fictitious numbers".

Enjoy your cars, whatever you have people!!!

...i have exactly the same tought! , M3/M4 is a great car, but the 15-20k difference is something to think about! At the end of the day both cars are fantastic!

[DrtyJrze]

Originally Posted by MTHRAR

Wow, some of the M3/M4 guys are insufferable. Can't everyone just enjoy their cars? I love the M3/4, but I didn't want to spend $15K-$20K more just to say that I'm better than someone else because I have twin turbos, better leather, M Mirrors etc etc. For me, the M2 hit the sweet spot with price/performance/aesthetics. I know it won't be as fast as an M3/4, but people do have high expectations of the power numbers. For me, as long as it's fun, I don't give a rats ass about "fictitious numbers".

Enjoy your cars, whatever you have people!!!

Agree, enjoy whatever you have (congrats on your purchase BTW). But I think you have it the other way around. It was the M2 "future" owners who started feeling themselves with the controlled environment marketing hype leading up to release. Thankfully the M2 is starting to be released out into the real world and they will realize the M2 was predetermined to fall into a pecking order within the brand.

[confusion]

Originally Posted by FrankM4

...i have exactly the same tought! , M3/M4 is a great car, but the 15-20k difference is something to think about! At the end of the day both cars are fantastic!

I thought about it for all of about 10 mins and then realized how far that diff would go towards customizing the car and it was a no-brainer.

[MTHRAR]

Originally Posted by DrtyJrze

Agree, enjoy whatever you have (congrats on your purchase BTW). But I think you have it the other way around. It was the M2 "future" owners who started feeling themselves with the controlled environment marketing hype leading up to release. Thankfully the M2 is starting to be released out into the real world and they will realize the M2 was predetermined to fall into a pecking order within the brand.

Yea, I know a few owners "provoked" folks over in the M3/4 forum, however, I was not one of them. I understand how business, marketing, and balance sheets work, so unless you have grandiose illusions about what the M2 actually is, it should be common sense that it won't be "the flagship". Honestly, I was satisfied with the power in my E46 M3, so this car will be on a whole new level for me personally, haha.

I guess M2 owners can put a JB4, new turbos/intake/pipes, and e85 kit on the car to make it a freakin monster on the dyno, but I probably won't be one of them.

[M2_4life]

Originally Posted by Yeineken

Anyone figure out the real reason yet? I'm assuming ECU stepped in to prevent harm until the engine is broke in?

I rechecked the video and saw their car had 3400 miles on it. so should have past the 2k check after which its on full power

[OrangeCrush]

Originally Posted by MTHRAR

Wow, some of the M3/M4 guys are insufferable. Can't everyone just enjoy their cars? I love the M3/4, but I didn't want to spend $15K-$20K more just to say that I'm better than someone else because I have twin turbos, better leather, M Mirrors etc etc. For me, the M2 hit the sweet spot with price/performance/aesthetics. I know it won't be as fast as an M3/4, but people do have high expectations of the power numbers. For me, as long as it's fun, I don't give a rats ass about "fictitious numbers".

Enjoy your cars, whatever you have people!!!

Meh, they have middle child syndrome. The new baby has arrived and getting all the attention so they they are actung up. "Look at me! Look at me! Wahhhh! Don't really know their place in the world. Want a super fast sleek looking luxobarge with power for days and delicious sound? The M6 fills that need. How about a small(ish), mean looking, quick and nimble track star that knows how to turn and also sounds great? The M2 fills that need.

I guess ///M stands for ///Muscle car when it comes to the M3/4. So there is that. Too bad it doesn't sound the part.

[phoenixbmwlife]

This thread is all over the place.

[Sleeper]

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

Meh, they have middle child syndrome. The new baby has arrived and getting all the attention so they they are actung up. "Look at me! Look at me! Wahhhh! Don't really know their place in the world. Want a super fast sleek looking luxobarge with power for days and delicious sound? The M6 fills that need. How about a small(ish), mean looking, quick and nimble track star that knows how to turn and also sounds great? The M2 fills that need.

I guess ///M stands for ///Muscle car when it comes to the M3/4. So there is that. Too bad it doesn't sound the part.

Your emotional outbursts are absolutely fantastic.

I'll continue to sit in my ///Muscle throne feeling superior about myself and my decisions, and relentlessly justify my purchase.

Ps. It's a car.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by Yeineken

Anyone figure out the real reason yet? I'm assuming ECU stepped in to prevent harm until the engine is broke in?

Doubtful. However the ECU could very well still be adapting if it hadn't been drivin many miles - long term fuel trim trying to figure out stoichiometric mixture.

[Yeineken]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

Doubtful. However the ECU could very well still be adapting if it hadn't been drivin many miles - long term fuel trim trying to figure out stoichiometric mixture.

Also a possibility it's still on winter fuel mix? I'm in MD as well and not sure if they've switched to summer mix yet since it's still cold and just snowed yesterday.

[technik330]

... all these reviews calling the M2 very quick / fast and suddenly one dyno result is enough to cause a wave of doubt, is this even real life?

I can't recount a single review where we see the M2 being driven and then see the presenter walking away and saying: "Damn, I want an M235i".

If anything they're quick to point out this car is on the heels of its bigger brother/sister (for the ladies).

[OrangeCrush]

Originally Posted by Sleeper

Your emotional outbursts are absolutely fantastic.

I'll continue to sit in my ///Muscle throne feeling superior about myself and my decisions, and relentlessly justify my purchase.

Ps. It's a car.

No outburst here. I'm perfectly calm.

[OrangeCrush]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

Doubtful. However the ECU could very well still be adapting if it hadn't been drivin many miles - long term fuel trim trying to figure out stoichiometric mixture.

Something weird was going on in the video. The way it just flattened out or even dropped after 4500 rpms was kind of strange don't you think?

[MTHRAR]

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

No outburst here. I'm perfectly calm.

Haha, this reminds me of a quote from The Big Lebowski:

Dude: Just take it easy.

Walter: I'm perfectly calm, Dude.

Dude: Yeah? Waving the f@#$%^& gun around?!

Walter: Calmer than you are.

Dude: Just take it easy, man!

Walter: Calmer than you are.

[OrangeCrush]

Originally Posted by MTHRAR

Haha, this reminds me of a quote from The Big Lebowski:

Dude: Just take it easy.

Walter: I'm perfectly calm, Dude.

Dude: Yeah? Waving the f@#$%^& gun around?!

Walter: Calmer than you are.

Dude: Just take it easy, man!

Walter: Calmer than you are.

LOL

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

Something weird was going on in the video. The way it just flattened out or even dropped after 4500 rpms was kind of strange don't you think?

Yes, it should be similar to BMW's graph. Max HP is made somewhere around 5500-6500 RPM. edit. just looked at the video's graph - it's whack. There is timing pull or fuel cut at around 4800 RPM. Should be strong until 6500 RPM. lol!

[Rudeboy]

Originally Posted by DrtyJrze

Shhh... Let them find out IRL when they challenge the local M3/4 and get smoked. Or go to a proper track.

Ultimately you get what you pay for, especially when the two cars are made by the same company (M2=little sister)

[kaosHunter]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Great theory.

But designing a motor isn't a math equation.

A bigger turbo has to have some drawbacks right ? there still are differences between the n55 and s55 in terms of strength and stress I am sure.

What exactly do you think designing a motor is then?

Engineers don't just thumb suck a design for a motor out of thin air. It's all based on maths equations.

[OrangeCrush]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

Yes, it should be similar to BMW's graph. Max HP is made somewhere around 5500-6500 RPM. edit. just looked at the video's graph - it's whack. There is timing pull or fuel cut at around 4800 RPM. Should be strong until 6500 RPM. lol!

Here is a comparison. If timing wasn't pulled and it followed the bmw dyno it would have been around 335-340 at around 5500 rpms.

The "expert" pointed out the strange lines and gave possible reasons for it...why didn't they run it again with the correct fueling or whatever to get more accurate results.