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      05-06-2015, 11:41 AM   #67
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Seems good to me. I don't remember the 1M specs being that far off from the 135I and that turned out to be a great car. So what's changed? Why is the expectation that every new car needs to be pushing 400+ hp? And if not it sucks?
I think this is a side effect of "watering down the M brand". Now, when someone wants to buy a "real M", we expect even more from the brand because of the other M-sports..... In other words, if i'm going to spend 50-65k (estimating here) on an M car.... I expect it to perform MUCH higher than the M-Sport version. It's a bit of falling on your own sword. :/
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      05-06-2015, 11:43 AM   #68
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Kinda disappointed in the choices, but things can surely change.

As of right now, I'd go with either Long Beach or MG
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def would do black on black for me! This car is getting more and more appealing as the info is released
really? how low were your expectations? My M235i actually appears to be a much better deal price/performance. I'm starting to Wonder if BM is not starting to lose the plot a little. This is my 3rd bimmer, not sure there is going to be a 4th one.
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First of all, thanks Dackel for ending the news drought, much appreciated!

With overboost I'm generally good with the HP and TQ figures though I had thought we'd see the overboost torque number as the number. I also imagine the numbers are slightly understated though, in which case I'm good!

Bummer on no Donington Grey from the get go, I was totally set on that color ... I suppose I'll have to make a new selection.
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def would do black on black for me! This car is getting more and more appealing as the info is released
really? how low were your expectations? My M235i actually appears to be a much better deal price/performance. I'm starting to Wonder if BM is not starting to lose the plot a little. This is my 3rd bimmer, not sure there is going to be a 4th one.
I can promise you that your M235 is not nearly as good as the M2 will be.

The 1M and 135 feel like very different cars to drive....and I'm sure the M2 will also feel totally different to the 235.

I am however disturbed that the M2, even with overboost, will have less torque than the 1M.
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Hm from that list Mineral Grey, I like it on my 4.

However something like Carbon Black or Tanzanite or Silver Grey would fit also nicely I think

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450HP is way to much, but I think people were thinking more towards 380-390 with a few less CF bits than M3/4 for cost saving purposes and potentially a lighter car than the M235i.

Obviously we don't have anywhere near the complete details, but so far it looks like even the weight will be a cause for concern for some.
But this is exactly what people say EVERY TIME. Look at the M3/4. When the specs came out, everyone btched and moaned about how it only had 5 more hp than the S65. I love my E92, but I know it would get stomped by an M3/4 almost every time.

I think maybe all our expectations are different. Personally, I don't expect the engine to be the main talking point about this car. What I really care about is that they take the really good 2er chassis, and add the suspension, brakes, diff and EPS from the M3/4. Now THAT, is what makes me salivate.

Wasn't the 1M identical? At the end of the day, it was just an N54 that could be found anywhere. But the combination between the chassis and E9x M3 parts made it magical.
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really? how low were your expectations? My M235i actually appears to be a much better deal price/performance. I'm starting to Wonder if BM is not starting to lose the plot a little. This is my 3rd bimmer, not sure there is going to be a 4th one.
Impossible to draw that conclusion at this point.
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Also, doesn't the M235i have around 330 ft/lbs of torque? An increase of about 10 ft/lbs for an M car seems pretty weak.
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Wow. This actually sucks. Where are the nice solid colors like imola, dakar, laguna seca. They don't need to bring back old colors, but at least offer something than white, gray, black and then turquoise....who in the right mind wants a turquoise BMW?
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450HP is way to much, but I think people were thinking more towards 380-390 with a few less CF bits than M3/4 for cost saving purposes and potentially a lighter car than the M235i.

Obviously we don't have anywhere near the complete details, but so far it looks like even the weight will be a cause for concern for some.
But this is exactly what people say EVERY TIME. Look at the M3/4. When the specs came out, everyone btched and moaned about how it only had 5 more hp than the S65. I love my E92, but I know it would get stomped by an M3/4 almost every time.

I think maybe all our expectations are different. Personally, I don't expect the engine to be the main talking point about this car. What I really care about is that they take the really good 2er chassis, and add the suspension, brakes, diff and EPS from the M3/4. Now THAT, is what makes me salivate.

Wasn't the 1M identical? At the end of the day, it was just an N54 that could be found anywhere. But the combination between the chassis and E9x M3 parts made it magical.
I think what you're seeing now are the 'fake buyers' get filtered out. They were expecting a 2900 lb, 450hp S65-laden CF coated machine. lol
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455 hp and 445 ft lb from a 3.6 v6 Twin turbo. Cadillac is really calling out the M3/M4 on this one ! Alot of factory stock options on the ATS-V that are extra on the M4.
Not hating on the Caddy at all.....as I have been following with great interest, but my response to you would be too bad the interior of that ATS-V is so damned ug.......well, a "disappointment".
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This is as much as I expected the M2 to be. It will be a tad higher in the pecking order than its cousin, the M235i but not too much where it will detract from it older siblings, the M3 and M4. A happy medium I say.
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450HP is way to much, but I think people were thinking more towards 380-390 with a few less CF bits than M3/4 for cost saving purposes and potentially a lighter car than the M235i.

Obviously we don't have anywhere near the complete details, but so far it looks like even the weight will be a cause for concern for some.
But this is exactly what people say EVERY TIME. Look at the M3/4. When the specs came out, everyone btched and moaned about how it only had 5 more hp than the S65. I love my E92, but I know it would get stomped by an M3/4 almost every time.

I think maybe all our expectations are different. Personally, I don't expect the engine to be the main talking point about this car. What I really care about is that they take the really good 2er chassis, and add the suspension, brakes, diff and EPS from the M3/4. Now THAT, is what makes me salivate.

Wasn't the 1M identical? At the end of the day, it was just an N54 that could be found anywhere. But the combination between the chassis and E9x M3 parts made it magical.
I think what you're seeing now are the 'fake buyers' get filtered out. They were expecting a 2900 lb, 450hp S65-laden CF coated machine. lol
Well, I disagree with this elitist "fake buyer" bullshit, I have to say you're right. I WAS hoping for an 3000lbs, S65, CF laden demon on wheels. Clearly that's not happening. Hence the lack of enthusiasm now. I may now end up getting an M4 next year instead of an M2. We'll see once this is out and there are some honest reviews.
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But this is exactly what people say EVERY TIME. Look at the M3/4. When the specs came out, everyone btched and moaned about how it only had 5 more hp than the S65. I love my E92, but I know it would get stomped by an M3/4 almost every time.

I think maybe all our expectations are different. Personally, I don't expect the engine to be the main talking point about this car. What I really care about is that they take the really good 2er chassis, and add the suspension, brakes, diff and EPS from the M3/4. Now THAT, is what makes me salivate.

Wasn't the 1M identical? At the end of the day, it was just an N54 that could be found anywhere. But the combination between the chassis and E9x M3 parts made it magical.
While the 3 series didn't have an M235 equivalent, the power and torque increase of the M3/4 over the 335i were significant, as well as a lower unladen weight.

In the last few years BMW has become extremely conservative on their HP numbers and most likely this car will have 365 whp (~415 crank HP) but you can't blame some people here expecting a bit more from the engine.

I'm sure the suspension and the driving dynamics will be terrific, after all everyone praises the M3 for it's handling and that has always been the hallmark of an M car. Needless to say however, BMW has been a bit behind the curve in the engine compartment recently
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I think what you're seeing now are the 'fake buyers' get filtered out. They were expecting a 2900 lb, 450hp S65-laden CF coated machine. lol
Call me what you want as I presently own 3 BMWs and have owned 10 over my lifetime at the ripe old age of 43. However, for me it is a cost to performance issue when juxtaposed against the M3. The M2 will likely exceed $60k for a moderately equipped machine and a similarly equipped M3 is $70k. That is a small delta to me for a big performance difference. It really just makes me re-evaluate the purchase as a M235 w/diff makes more sense than an M2 if the price point is going to be what I suspect, or just jump up to a M3; that is my way of thinking anyway.
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450HP is way to much, but I think people were thinking more towards 380-390 with a few less CF bits than M3/4 for cost saving purposes and potentially a lighter car than the M235i.

Obviously we don't have anywhere near the complete details, but so far it looks like even the weight will be a cause for concern for some.
But this is exactly what people say EVERY TIME. Look at the M3/4. When the specs came out, everyone btched and moaned about how it only had 5 more hp than the S65. I love my E92, but I know it would get stomped by an M3/4 almost every time.

I think maybe all our expectations are different. Personally, I don't expect the engine to be the main talking point about this car. What I really care about is that they take the really good 2er chassis, and add the suspension, brakes, diff and EPS from the M3/4. Now THAT, is what makes me salivate.

Wasn't the 1M identical? At the end of the day, it was just an N54 that could be found anywhere. But the combination between the chassis and E9x M3 parts made it magical.
I think what you're seeing now are the 'fake buyers' get filtered out. They were expecting a 2900 lb, 450hp S65-laden CF coated machine. lol
Well, I disagree with this elitist "fake buyer" bullshit, I have to say you're right. I WAS hoping for an 3000lbs, S65, CF laden demon on wheels. Clearly that's not happening. Hence the lack of enthusiasm now. I may now end up getting an M4 next year instead of an M2. We'll see once this is out and there are some honest reviews.
not sure why you ever expected that....really. this car is following the 1M formula...and has been from the beginning. The M235i weighs over 3500 pounds. If you want a 3000 pound M2----I hope you have $125k as that is how much a car that would lose 14% of it's weight would cost after engineering.
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