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      04-06-2017, 06:27 AM   #1
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Thumbs up DINAN Stage 4 review...UPDATED WITH DYNO GRAPHS POST 56

When my CA called and told me a few months ago that my spot had come up for an M2 allocation, I had mixed feelings. I loved everything about the car except for one issue, and it was a big one....relative lack of power. It took me a day to accept the allocation over my initial build, an F80 ZCP. I knew that Dinan had a fully matching warrantied big turbo kit in the making. I thought to myself, this should solve the M2's power issue all the while still being cheaper than my $71k M3 build.

The stage 4 kit was installed over the past 2 1/2 days at Otto's of West Chester, a certified Dinan dealer/installer. My SA and I agreed to not rush things and ensure all components were done correctly, thus the longer than usual install time. Ryan, the tech is very methodical and precise (installed my exhaust and intake). He adhered to his initial price install quote which is very commendable. Extra time was performed on this procedure. I picked up my car yesterday and we went for a spirited test drive. As advertised, the car pulls very hard to redline with barely noticeable turbo lag. It's smooth with no peakiness, pretty much like stock. The drivability is cake; power comes on as expected and again, holds to redline. Those who have the sport tuner, I'll equate it to that but bumped up a notch. The intercooler is huge and will help with heat soak during the warmer months. I already felt power being zapped in 60 degree weather on my stock IC.

Is it worth the $6000 (includes install)? To me it is. It feels like a BMW OEM kit, at least initially. The MPPK on my old 435i gave 35 HP for $1700 which was solely a software tune. This Dinan package gives ~100 HP for $6k, all fully warrantied. No brainer for me.

Those of you on the fence and with the funds, I recommend it. If nothing else, you'll surprise some big, bad M3/4 drivers on the road second guessing their car purchasing decision.

Have any questions, feel free to ask....
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Nice write up! I'm thinking about a Dinan tune, solely based on the warranty!

Did you play with any of the handling mods, or just play with the engine?
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Auf:
Your post feels like an ad for Dinan and Otto.
I assume they gave you the script to adhere to?

A better write up would have included:
How long have you had your M2 before the modification.
What were you driving before?
Did you have a dyno done?
You say you felt heat soak at 60 degrees. I find that hard to believe.
You don't say what was done except that it cost $6k.

Sort of a meh review
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Nice write up! I'm thinking about a Dinan tune, solely based on the warranty!

Did you play with any of the handling mods, or just play with the engine?
strictly engine only, it's now the complete power P2 package including the Dinan badge which is in my glove box.

Feedback on the coilover kit is not getting the best reviews according to my SA...it may be too stiff for the street for some folks.
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Auf:
Your post feels like an ad for Dinan and Otto.
I assume they gave you the script to adhere to?

A better write up would have included:
How long have you had your M2 before the modification.
What were you driving before?
Did you have a dyno done?
You say you felt heat soak at 60 degrees. I find that hard to believe.
You don't say what was done except that it cost $6k.

Sort of a meh review
I see you've trolled your way into yet another thread. Go get your hard-on elsewhere dude.
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I see you've trolled your way into yet another thread. Go get your hard-on elsewhere dude.
Seriously, his history of needless bashing is endless.
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Your review was nearly useless.
Let others comment and you will see.
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Auf:
Your post feels like an ad for Dinan and Otto.
I assume they gave you the script to adhere to?

A better write up would have included:
How long have you had your M2 before the modification.
What were you driving before?
Did you have a dyno done?
You say you felt heat soak at 60 degrees. I find that hard to believe.
You don't say what was done except that it cost $6k.

Sort of a meh review
Sort of an assaholic response. Way to piss on his Cheerios, dude. The first two lines give you away, utterly.

But even if they didn't, the questions you say remain unanswered are mostly spurious.

The first one is unnecessary, in that about 30 seconds of looking would show you he's had the car since the fall, long enough to drive it plenty, stock and with the sport tuner.

Who cares what he was driving before? His baseline is an M2, not anything else.

Would have been nice to have a pre and post dyno, but most people don't do that, and he doesn't owe anybody, least of all you, that measurement.

Who cares what you think about heat soak at 60 degrees, and why is that relevant in any event, other than to suggest what it is clear that he is suggesting--the new set-up will almost certainly resist heat soak better?

Again, a Dinan Stage 4 P2 install was done. He probably assumed, since the details of what that install entails have been thoroughly discussed on this board for months, that he didn't need to repeat them. Reasonable assumption in my book.

Most important, though, there are several polite, and far more effective, ways to follow-up with actually legitimate questions, if you have them, that don't include being a dick. But some people are just dicks. Suppose they can't help it, or don't want to make even the most minimal attempt to avoid being one.
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Do you have before and after dyno graphs?
I forgot to mention, I'll be getting an after dyno done at either Fabspeed Motorsport if our schedules can sync up or at Evan's tuning where I got my original dyno done.
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When my CA called and told me a few months ago that my spot had come up for an M2 allocation, I had mixed feelings. I loved everything about the car except for one issue, and it was a big one....relative lack of power. It took me a day to accept the allocation over my initial build, an F80 ZCP. I knew that Dinan had a fully matching warrantied big turbo kit in the making. I thought to myself, this should solve the M2's power issue all the while still being cheaper than my $71k M3 build.

The stage 4 kit was installed over the past 2 1/2 days at Otto's of West Chester, a certified Dinan dealer/installer. My SA and I agreed to not rush things and ensure all components were done correctly, thus the longer than usual install time. Ryan, the tech is very methodical and precise (installed my exhaust and intake). He adhered to his initial price install quote which is very commendable. Extra time was performed on this procedure. I picked up my car yesterday and we went for a spirited test drive. As advertised, the car pulls very hard to redline with barely noticeable turbo lag. It's smooth with no peakiness, pretty much like stock. The drivability is cake; power comes on as expected and again, holds to redline. Those who have the sport tuner, I'll equate it to that but bumped up a notch. The intercooler is huge and will help with heat soak during the warmer months. I already felt power being zapped in 60 degree weather on my stock IC.

Is it worth the $6000 (includes install)? To me it is. It feels like a BMW OEM kit, at least initially. The MPPK on my old 435i gave 35 HP for $1700 which was solely a software tune. This Dinan package gives ~100 HP for $6k, all fully warrantied. No brainer for me.

Those of you on the fence and with the funds, I recommend it. If nothing else, you'll surprise some big, bad M3/4 drivers on the road second guessing their car purchasing decision.
Congrats, man! Everything about the M2, it seems, is also about waiting. Nice to be done waiting, I bet.

So did you run into any traction issues, or any kind of tire slip, on your full throttle runs? Were those runs in both Sport and Sport +, and did you notice any more or less slip in either mode? What tires are you running?

I am trying to figure out why with my kit I can't always get all power to the ground when I nail it, even in 3rd...rubber is one obvious answer, so that's next, but I'm curious...
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I forgot to mention, I'll be getting an after dyno done at either Fabspeed Motorsport if our schedules can sync up or at Evan's tuning where I got my original dyno done.
From what I've read about dyno's being temperamental, would getting it done at Evan's help with consistency?
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Congrats, man! Everything about the M2, it seems, is also about waiting. Nice to be done waiting, I bet.

So did you run into any traction issues, or any kind of tire slip, on your full throttle runs? Were those runs in both Sport and Sport +, and did you notice any more or less slip in either mode? What tires are you running?

I am trying to figure out why with my kit I can't always get all power to the ground when I nail it, even in 3rd...rubber is one obvious answer, so that's next, but I'm curious...
I did sort of rush through writing this up, busy at work...


It's funny, I ran into literally zero issues in sport, then sport+ yesterday in the dry. Bruce, I've heard about your traction issues and honestly can't understand why its happening. I'm on stock 265 Contis as well. Maybe you have a stage 6 kit putting down incredible power...or are your NW roads constantly damp?

I blast through the gears and there's that initial tire slippage but that's it. It's all getting to the ground nicely.
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From what I've read about dyno's being temperamental, would getting it done at Evan's help with consistency?
I also got it done at Fabspeed
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Good review but will still get smoked by a F80 with a tune on E85
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Good review but will still get smoked by a F80 with a tune on E85
Agree 1000%

This won't transform your car into an M6 or tuned F8x for that matter. You could go Pure S2, etc and get 500 WHP. That isn't the goal with stage 4.

It does (according to the few who have driven both) get you to stock M3/4 numbers which by most accounts, is quite fast.
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BruceM - I appreciate that you felt so compelled to respond and defend AUF's review of Dinan and Otto. The basis of your retort is pure anger, use of name calling and derogatory terms towards me. So in general, you are the ugly one here. If you dont like my post - skip it.

That said, I was simply implying that the posters written stuff did little versus recently published detailed write ups of Stage 4. I was truly hoping that this one would provide more "owner, details and experience".

My request for comparisons is just that...is the Stage 4 better than the stock car? How many miles (not length of time) has he driven his M2. Has AUF tracked it before and or after?

Does he have other 'sports cars' to compare it to so that others can take his review with a comparative basis (hence why many many many professional publications review "similar cars" side by side.

And I can go on and on...but you dont seem to be able to get past my content...you seem to fixate on perceived tone. But that is your right. I just wish you didnt call me a d--k....seems harsh and rude.
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Auf:
Your post feels like an ad for Dinan and Otto.
I assume they gave you the script to adhere to?

A better write up would have included:
How long have you had your M2 before the modification.
What were you driving before?
Did you have a dyno done?
You say you felt heat soak at 60 degrees. I find that hard to believe.
You don't say what was done except that it cost $6k.

Sort of a meh review
and when can we expect your epic, first-hand review? Please, show us amateurs how it's done.

I for one enjoy the reviews of guys like the OP and BruceM who actually own this kit and have taken the time to corroborate what Dinan has already told us. Could he have gone into more details? Sure, but as BruceM correctly pointed out, he doesn't owe us shit. Feel free to start your own forum where only posts you deem to be of value are allowed. The rest of us will be right here, enjoying the company of fellow enthusiasts who like to freely gather and share information and constructive feedback.

Now when can I expect that review?

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BruceM - I appreciate that you felt so compelled to respond and defend AUF's review of Dinan and Otto. The basis of your retort is pure anger, use of name calling and derogatory terms towards me. So in general, you are the ugly one here. If you dont like my post - skip it.

That said, I was simply implying that the posters written stuff did little versus recently published detailed write ups of Stage 4. I was truly hoping that this one would provide more "owner, details and experience".

My request for comparisons is just that...is the Stage 4 better than the stock car? How many miles (not length of time) has he driven his M2. Has AUF tracked it before and or after?

Does he have other 'sports cars' to compare it to so that others can take his review with a comparative basis (hence why many many many professional publications review "similar cars" side by side.

And I can go on and on...but you dont seem to be able to get past my content...you seem to fixate on perceived tone. But that is your right. I just wish you didnt call me a d--k....seems harsh and rude.
You must be kidding, right? You start your response by suggesting that Auf is reading from a script provided him by Dinan, and you take umbrage at being called a dick?

That alone was in fact the very height of rude. And dickish-ness. If you don't see that, Lord help you, because nobody here can.
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