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      03-02-2017, 04:09 PM   #45
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Huh? Why the hell wouldn't you want to open up the roof every now and then for a semi convertible feel? Don't get it all...explain.
A sunroof adds weight in the worst possible place on a car, up top.
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Huh? Why the hell wouldn't you want to open up the roof every now and then for a semi convertible feel? Don't get it all...explain.
Sunroofs add weight. Also, if you are going to track the car, sunroofs reduce headroom for a driver wearing a helmet.
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Sunroofs add weight. Also, if you are going to track the car, sunroofs reduce headroom for a driver wearing a helmet.
Hmmmmm......wonder how many who avoided the sunroof to save weight ordered the heavier DCTtransmission which then adds more weight back?
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Because it is... Same shitty wiring too.!!

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Hmmmmm......wonder how many who avoided the sunroof to save weight ordered the heavier DCTtransmission which then adds more weight back?
DCT is faster so it's a clear upgrade in that regard.
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      03-04-2017, 03:22 AM   #51
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DCT is faster so it's a clear upgrade in that regard.
Exactly and the weight is added at the lowest point possible plus it's capable of higher torque than the MT, it also has an added transmission cooler which the MT doesn't have and it's just faster in any way. Tested it at Assen Moto GP my DCT vs my mate's 6MT M2, he is a way better driver than I am, and I don't find myself a rookie anymore either lol but on the straights I was a tad faster, running a bit in on him....


But 6MT gives you more 'connection' etc. I know...I had an E46 M3 6MT, E90 M3 6MT and 1M in the past. Tell me about it.

Though throttleblip and hill assist are features in the 6MT M2 which I find a bit not so authentic and not so oldskool. And 6MT is an almost 7K euros(!) option overhere.

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DCT is faster so it's a clear upgrade in that regard.
Exactly and the weight is added at the lowest point possible plus it's capable of higher torque than the MT, it also has an added transmission cooler which the MT doesn't have and it's just faster in any way. Tested it at Assen Moto GP my DCT vs my mate's 6MT M2, he is a way better driver than I am, and I don't find myself a rookie anymore either lol but on the straights I was a tad faster, running a bit in on him....


But 6MT gives you more 'connection' etc. I know...I had an E46 M3 6MT, E90 M3 6MT and 1M in the past. Tell me about it.

Though throttleblip and hill assist are features in the 6MT M2 which I find a bit not so authentic and not so oldskool. And 6MT is an almost 7K euros(!) option overhere.

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it's capable of higher torque than the MT
Are you sure about this? I thought remember reading the M3/4 boys running high tq needed upgraded clutch packs for their DCT whereas the 6MT could cope.
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Are you sure about this? I thought remember reading the M3/4 boys running high tq needed upgraded clutch packs for their DCT whereas the 6MT could cope.
On a German forum I read the Getrag 7DCT is suited for forces up to 700Nm, the 6MT strangely only up to 500Nm...

So if you want to (hard)tune the car it's better off with a DCT.


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Interesting...RIP MANUEL.
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Interesting...RIP MANUEL.
Not sure who "Manuel" is, but manual trannies are not dead yet. It was standard in the M2, and Porsche is reintroducing the manual into its GT3 after hearing complaints from its customers about its elimination as an option...

https://www.motormag.com.au/news/160...x-speed-manual

But over time, the diehards will probably dwindle further. The number of people who don't even know how to drive a stick, let alone prefer one, is growing every year. They do not know what they are missing in terms of driver union with the car....
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Not sure who "Manuel" is, but manual trannies are not dead yet. It was standard in the M2, and Porsche is reintroducing the manual into its GT3 after hearing complaints from its customers about its elimination as an option...

https://www.motormag.com.au/news/160...x-speed-manual

But over time, the diehards will probably dwindle further. The number of people who don't even know how to drive a stick, let alone prefer one, is growing every year. They do not know what they are missing in terms of driver union with the car....
Manuel -> MotorTrend joke.
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Manuals should all die except for REAL TOYS, Miata, Corvette, Roadsters and 2 seaters.

(This is what most below 25 believe)
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A sunroof adds weight in the worst possible place on a car, up top.
Yep, that's it. More weight, and in the worst place, plus reduces headroom, adds failure points, more complexity etc... I want the car to be as light and simple as possible. I usually get cars as "stripped" as I can get them, then lighten them some more - lighter battery, lighter exhaust, lighter wheels, get rid of underhood plastics and sound deadeners, take out any spare, tools, rear floor mats, even brake backing plates etc., sometimes swap out the front seats for race buckets... On my older used cars, I usually took out the AC also, but don't do that anymore now that I live in TX lol. The lighter the better in all metrics except sound deadening I suppose. I'd get a manual too, but they don't offer it here. I suppose its why I find building race cars from street cars so satisfying.... I take a LOT of stuff out (got a LS400 down to 3000lb, and my AE86 RWD Corolla down to 2000lb)
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Yep, that's it. More weight, and in the worst place, plus reduces headroom, adds failure points, more complexity etc... I want the car to be as light and simple as possible. I usually get cars as "stripped" as I can get them, then lighten them some more - lighter battery, lighter exhaust, lighter wheels, get rid of underhood plastics and sound deadeners, take out any spare, tools, rear floor mats, even brake backing plates etc., sometimes swap out the front seats for race buckets... On my older used cars, I usually took out the AC also, but don't do that anymore now that I live in TX lol. The lighter the better in all metrics except sound deadening I suppose. I'd get a manual too, but they don't offer it here. I suppose its why I find building race cars from street cars so satisfying.... I take a LOT of stuff out (got a LS400 down to 3000lb, and my AE86 RWD Corolla down to 2000lb)
Why don't you get an Ariel Atom?

Modded new Miata would be insane, so would the TT RS...beemers so heavy tho!
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DCT is faster so it's a clear upgrade in that regard.
That is true! And I do love the lightning fast shifts. It was very tempting to go with the DCT. Could have gone either way. Both transmissions are good choices.
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A sunroof adds weight in the worst possible place on a car, up top.
This presumes you track the car. Also as discussed so many times before, the car should have a sunroof and an option to delete for a track intended car. Not having the option is silly. How much difference in lap time will a sunroof make anyway???
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Just saw factory 0-100 numbers of 4.1 sec for the sedan. Faster than an m2 for a sedan. Factory numbers I think, will be interesting to see actual test info.
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Just saw factory 0-100 numbers of 4.1 sec for the sedan. Faster than an m2 for a sedan. Factory numbers I think, will be interesting to see actual test info.
It will be 3.9-.8

Has more horsepower and AWD.

Looks pretty bland tho
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Just saw factory 0-100 numbers of 4.1 sec for the sedan. Faster than an m2 for a sedan. Factory numbers I think, will be interesting to see actual test info.
You can shove as much horsepower and straight line speed into a shitty looking sedan all you want, but it still won't be able to corner.
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You can shove as much horsepower and straight line speed into a shitty looking sedan all you want, but it still won't be able to corner.
what does "shitty looking" and being able to corner have to do with each other? These are both street cars, and you'd never be able to exploit what either car can really do on the street, and unless you are a much better driver than you think you are, I doubt you could drive to the point where it would impact your laptimes on track either. Years ago I raced a Acura TSX on track and it was a great race car - and all that weight on the nose too! That said, I'd be driving an M2 now if I could get an allocation, but it doesn't make the Audi a bad car - bland looking maybe. I've had 4 of them so far.
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