[GSR Technik]

Originally Posted by JNoSol

We're all novice racers until we make a living of doing it. I track for fun and I don't plan on making a living off of it.

I'm thinking of having a dedicated track car. Still deciding if the M2 is the answer or use my M3.

The price and weight will determine the final decision.

Dedicated track car >>> 228 all the way. Handling with that 4 cylinder tucked way back into the engine bay makes for a BMW that is closer to mid engine balance than any other BMW I've driven.

Nick...

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by GSR Autosport

Dedicated track car >>> 228 all the way. Handling with that 4 cylinder tucked way back into the engine bay makes for a BMW that is closer to mid engine balance than any other BMW I've driven.

Nick...

It's an interesting comment - I remember back when I got my first 135, there was a company that took a 128 (N52 NA engine) and swapped out the suspension, wheels, and brakes and it was smoking similarly equipped 135s on a few tracks.

The 228 with a tune and some mild upgrades would definitely be a fun track car.

[Cal]

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

Unfortunately, we can't get a similarly equipped M235i to the 1M in the US. I am still hopeful they will offer the M2 without all the fluff but am not holding my breath.

That's true, but in the US you can opt for a manual, moonroof-delete M235i that will save you some weight (at least 50lbs). By the same token, you could also get a 1M almost similarly equipped as an M235i. Add to the 1M the premium package (8-way power seats, auto-dimming mirrors, ambience lighting, bluetooth/ipod interface, etc), the convenience package (Navigation, iDrive, parking sensors, keyless entry/ignition, etc), HK sound system (with additional speakers and subwoofers), heated seats, etc, and that car won't be a lightweight either. That's the point dmboone25 was trying to make about comparing the weights of similarly equipped cars.

[///Mangler]

4cyl, <200hp, <2500lbs with driver. Totally eat up high HP cars on high HP track.

It's all in the power to weight and balance on the track. Period.

T

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by ///Mangler

4cyl, <200hp, <2500lbs with driver. Totally eat up high HP cars on high HP track.

It's all in the power to weight and balance on the track. Period.

T

Well that would be a very specific type of vehicle that most people wouldn't be attracted to

[///Mangler]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Well that would be a very specific type of vehicle that most people wouldn't be attracted to

At the track? Um, I beg to differ. If you are going to go to the track regularly it's the best way to go. Keep the luxo bardge on the street for touring.

T

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by ///Mangler

4cyl, &lt;200hp, &lt;2500lbs with driver. Totally eat up high HP cars on high HP track.

It's all in the power to weight and balance on the track. Period.

T

My word, nice how many KG is that?

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by M Car Chris

My word, nice how many KG is that?

1 Kg = 2.2 Lb

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

1 Kg = 2.2 Lb

I know it was lazy but away fr home on a tiny screen iPhone

So is it a little over 1150kg ish? Impressive.

[B-1Pilot]

Originally Posted by ///Mangler

4cyl, <200hp, <2500lbs with driver. Totally eat up high HP cars on high HP track.

It's all in the power to weight and balance on the track. Period.

T

Fan-F***ing-Tastic! This is exactly what the M2 should be shooting for. A pic of the E30 M3 ought to be hanging in the M studio as motivation to the M2 designers (and I think it is). The current 2er is basically the exact same size in length and height, but just 4 inches wider than an E30. The question is whether the N55 variant is worth the weight over the N20. Are the performance components inherited off the M3/4 going to be worth the weight or will they be torn out of a new M2 for others? I don't think we will ever get back to E30 weight on the street because of newer govt regulation over the past 25 years, but I agree this should be the target.

[///Mangler]

Originally Posted by M Car Chris

I know it was lazy but away fr home on a tiny screen iPhone

So is it a little over 1150kg ish? Impressive.

If the new M2 can capture 6/10's the driving sprit of the E30 ///M it will be another cult classic.

I can't wait to play with one at the track and see how it dances. That's all that matters.

T

[///Mangler]

Originally Posted by M Car Chris

I know it was lazy but away fr home on a tiny screen iPhone

So is it a little over 1150kg ish? Impressive.

Sorry it's <2500 without driver and 2678 with. I went back and looked at the corner weight sheets.

If you have never driven a stripped out track car, not matter what the make, even in the street it will make you beg for shedding pounds. The response of all axis are doubled.

T

[Reid]

Originally Posted by ///Mangler

I can't wait to play with one at the track and see how it dances. That's all that matters.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by ///Mangler

4cyl, &lt;200hp, &lt;2500lbs with driver. Totally eat up high HP cars on high HP track.

It's all in the power to weight and balance on the track. Period.

T

on a high hp track? yeah right.

[JNoSol]

Originally Posted by socal TW

on a high hp track? yeah right.

An Ariel Atom or Lotus Elise would give most high HP cars a run for the money. I've been lapped by a full race prepped Mini Cooper S, stripped / heavily boosted / slick tires. It wasn't the one in the photo below, but you get the picture. I think it has more than 200HP, at least I want to believe it does.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by JNoSol

An Ariel Atom or Lotus Elise would give most high HP cars a run for the money. I've been lapped by a full race prepped Mini Cooper S, stripped / heavily boosted / slick tires. It wasn't the one in the photo below, but you get the picture. I think it has more than 200HP, at least I want to believe it does.

I guess it really depends on your definition of a high hp track and to your point some lower hp cars are fast. But at some point hp with a capable driver wins.

My high hp track would be at autoclub speedway where if you do a 2 min in a lower horsepower car it is amazing and outstanding. whereas higher hp cars are doing 1:40-1:50.

[///Mangler]

Originally Posted by socal TW

on a high hp track? yeah right.

Here you go. VIR full course. Mixed A/B group. Most of the cars I caught and passed are A Group. Stock 2.3l S14. I was short shifting too. It's a loaner motor from a buddy while mine is being built.

T

[Bemo]

M2 weight:

Kermit Man is welcomed to disagree!

[BFLY]

Just had my '17 6sp weighed dropping off an old computer at the recycling facility. Weighed in at 1522Kg with half a tank of fuel.

[Jevi Javi]

i weighed mine yesterday night. 3357 lbs. with half tank of gas. I have a 6 sp. Manual Seats. M perf. Coilovers

Without gas it should be close to 3315 lbs.

Some sources were stating that then m2 weighs 3415. I guess thats with a full tank and some luggage???

[AndyinHou]

Originally Posted by Jevi Javi

i weighed mine yesterday night. 3357 lbs. with half tank of gas. I have a 6 sp. Manual Seats. M perf. Coilovers

Without gas it should be close to 3315 lbs.

Some sources were stating that then m2 weighs 3415. I guess thats with a full tank and some luggage???

How much does the dct weigh?

[Jevi Javi]

Originally Posted by AndyinHou

How much does the dct weigh?

Not sure. But should be more than 50 pounds.