[overcoil]

Hope this isn't a repost.
http://hooniverse.kinja.com/mmm-mmm-...-m4-1707206005

[W///]

Originally Posted by pups06112003

You should get M3 though... You won't disappoint! After all it's an extremely capable and practical 4 door
I do however still love to see what's up with M2!

Trust me, I've thought about it for a long time and I still think I'd prefer the M2. The M3 is indeed more practical, but not enough for me due to having 2 big dogs. As I've said many times, if BMW would have made an M3 Touring or a 1M 5 door hatchback, I'd be on my way to the dealership right now.

They are both good choices though.

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by W///

Trust me, I've thought about it for a long time and I still think I'd prefer the M2. The M3 is indeed more practical, but not enough for me due to having 2 big dogs. As I've said many times, if BMW would have made an M3 Touring or a 1M 5 door hatchback, I'd be on my way to the dealership right now.

They are both good choices though.

Simple solution. Get rid of the two big dogs, or at least one of them. To be fair, make one of them choose who gets to go.

[Twix]

Originally Posted by JNoSol

Any confirmation on how much will the M2 weighs?

The M235i coupe is only 25lbs lighter than the M4, but 95lbs lighter compared to the 435i. The M division was able to lighten the M4 by 70lbs compared to the 435i.

If the the M4 weight reduction formula carries over to the M2, my guess is the M2 would weigh 3,446lbs. That would be very disappointing if my guess is close. To make the M2 as exciting as speculated, it needs to be closer to 3,300lbs.

M4 Manual - 3,530lbs
435i Manual - 3,600lbs
M235 Manual - 3,505lbs

Hope to be wrong here.

I doubt we'll see nearly as much weight reduction as the 435-M4. We know the M2 isn't getting carbon fibre panels, that means not as much weight reduction.

My guess is about 60lbs off the NA bound cars, maybe more for europe.

[2msport]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

there are plenty of 1Ms which have been weighed between 3250 and 3350 lbs. A local NY owner weighed his 1M with a FULL tank of gas and got 3322 on this forum. You finding the 'heaviest' number sounds like you trying to sell your position.....then again I expect that sort of behaviour from M235 owners

the reality is that BMW listed the weight as 3296lbs globally and in the US a 3360 number was used as well. The other reality is that BMW USA also used 3505 as the MT weight for the M235 in the US....and even more for the slushbox.

No matter what way you want to look at it there IS close to a 150 lb difference at least....if not more.

exactly why I took mine to the scales.. you never know what your car actually is with a custom set of options or lack there of.

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showt...8+gross+weight

3260lbs.

[fuddman]

Originally Posted by Twix

We know the M2 isn't getting carbon fibre panels

How do you know that?
Other posters have said the same thing; but, they don't explain what in a photo has convinced them of that or what they have read or heard that convinces them of that.
I'm reluctant, at this stage, to rule out CFRP as you, and others, have. Primarily because, when asked, rather than being direct, BMW insiders, like Scott26, are very evasive about how much, if any, CFRP is on the car. For whatever reason, it does not seem to be something they want discussed in public.

[nachob]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

The 1m only dropped about 85lbs from the 135is. I would expect a similar weight loss compared to the m235i. Remember the 2 series is a slightly bigger car in general compared to 1 series. That would put it in the 3400 range and hitting 3400 if they push it.

This is accurate but can be a little misleading. Yes, the drop between the 135i and 1M might be less than 100 lbs but even at 85 lbs less it had an M-Sport full lock differential, beefier rear end, bigger brakes with floating disks, bigger tires and wheels. When you factor all of these bigger/beefier items, it makes the weight drop even more remarkable.

There are two big concerns that relate to weight. BMW and BMWUSA.

BMW will ad ipad display, extra wiring, hard drives, idrive controller to all M2s which is already adding a bit more weight but even if they make a version with lighter manual seats, lighter non-motorized mirrors, lighter fixed suspension, etc. BMW USA is hell-bent on ruining BMWs performance offering in an ill-conceived plot to maintain BMWs appearance as a premium brand. So I am concerned that they will do the same stupid thing they did with M235 which is mandatory power seats, folding mirrors, dynamic suspension and vinyl over the M-sport cloth/alcantara. So no matter what BMW does, there is the likelihood that BMW USA will bloat it. I'm hoping that someone will get a clue there but lately there have been few signs.

They offered a fixed suspension and cloth on M3 so I still have some hope but anxious about BMW USA.

[Cal]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

All I am suggesting is that you might have compared vehicles that are similarly equipped. That might actually foster an interesting discussion, about the differences between the cars and how the final weights were achieved.

Can you not understand that more options (aka a sunroof) are standard for a 235 that were not offered on your 1M? And that the published figures for the car are based upon those standard options? Perhaps, in some wild stretch of the imagination, a 1M and 235, both MT equipped, steel roof, heated seats only be a better comparison?

Furthermore, my distaste for my own car is well known on these threads. Generalize some on your part?

The truth of the matter is that most times you provide no appreciable benefit to the conversations on this board. You are, from the majority of what I have seen, a pretty pompous ass in a place where fun discussions should be the norm. You are inherently defensive about anything you own or have owned, and similarly dismissive of anything that is presented as a viable alternative to one of those vehicles.

The approach does not benefit anyone...

Well said. Reading his posts all over these forums, it's just about how great his car is and how terrible the M235i is. He has mentioned that claimed EU weight of his car many times already, while using the US-spec M235i weight for comparison. Apples to apples, the EU weight of a manual M235i is 1530kg, which doesn't have the sunroof, adaptive dampers, leather, power seats, etc, as standard (just like a base 1M as well) but unlike a US-spec M235i one. As you stated, the weight difference between a similarly equipped M235i and the 1M is minimal.

Originally Posted by hoonigan1320

I think most people on here have learned to just ignore whatever is being said, since one simply cannot find a post of his that's not in some way praising his car. No contribution to the discussion at all. Wait til the M2 comes out and if it's better than the 1M, see how fast he gets on the wagon and start blabbing the M2 is better than everything else.

Is there a function on here to ignore a post?

Most forums have an "ignore" button, but I don't know where it is here.

Originally Posted by 2msport

exactly why I took mine to the scales.. you never know what your car actually is with a custom set of options or lack there of.

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showt...8+gross+weight

3260lbs.

Or GSR's base F22 at only 3091 lbs.

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1117222

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by hoonigan1320

I think most people on here have learned to just ignore whatever is being said, since one simply cannot find a post of his that's not in some way praising his car. No contribution to the discussion at all. Wait til the M2 comes out and if it's better than the 1M, see how fast he gets on the wagon and start blabbing the M2 is better than everything else.

Is there a function on here to ignore a post?

On topic, IMHO the 100-200lb difference in weight in the big picture will not matter, It's how the car feels and drives that will be the deciding factor. My guess 34xxlb, MT, min options.

In a car that weighs 3-3500 lbs you can definitely feel 150lbs. Probably not as much going in straight line but during cornering and braking for sure.

[JNoSol]

Originally Posted by Smooth 330i

In a car that weighs 3-3500 lbs you can definitely feel 150lbs. Probably not as much going in straight line but during cornering and braking for sure.

+1

[OG///M]

Originally Posted by Smooth 330i

In a car that weighs 3-3500 lbs you can definitely feel 150lbs. Probably not as much going in straight line but during cornering and braking for sure.

Agree you would feel it. But what I meant was not going to pass on it just because it weighs 3450lbs not 3300lbs...

[OrangeCrush]

Originally Posted by Cal

Well said. Reading his posts all over these forums, it's just about how great his car is and how terrible the M235i is. He has mentioned that claimed EU weight of his car many times already, while using the US-spec M235i weight for comparison. Apples to apples, the EU weight of a manual M235i is 1530kg, which doesn't have the sunroof, adaptive dampers, leather, power seats, etc, as standard (just like a base 1M as well) but unlike a US-spec M235i one. As you stated, the weight difference between a similarly equipped M235i and the 1M is minimal.

Unfortunately, we can't get a similarly equipped M235i to the 1M in the US. I am still hopeful they will offer the M2 without all the fluff but am not holding my breath.

[nachob]

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

Unfortunately, we can't get a similarly equipped M235i to the 1M in the US. I am still hopeful they will offer the M2 without all the fluff but am not holding my breath.

Amen!

[hyperzulu]

Originally Posted by Smooth 330i

In a car that weighs 3-3500 lbs you can definitely feel 150lbs. Probably not as much going in straight line but during cornering and braking for sure.

Depends. 150lbs anvil attached to the front bumper, yeah. But 150lbs distributed throughout the cabin, toward the rear, and/or lower to the ground is not going to be as easily noticed.

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by hyperzulu

Depends. 150lbs anvil attached to the front bumper, yeah. But 150lbs distributed throughout the cabin, toward the rear, and/or lower to the ground is not going to be as easily noticed.

in a 2/3 series it will, my opinion. it would be balanced but you just can't hide weight. 235 and Audi S3 are good examples.

I deleted 100 lbs with seats and battery and I can feel it.

We are talking gf+ delete.

[Bemo]

Lose weight and then reach over to the passenger door handle and pull ever so slightly while taking a fast, sharp left turn to dispose of the fat, bitchy wife or girlfriend. Weight problem solved!

[Roundown]

Originally Posted by JNoSol

Since the price difference is now so close, it is all about the weight. Let's face it, no one bought a 1M thinking it's better looking than an E92 M3 or faster on the straight. They bought it because it's light, nimble, and it was a lot cheaper.

Now that the price difference of the M2 and M3 is about $5k (assuming they will not discount the M2), weight is the biggest factor into making this decision. The weight difference need to be 150lbs from the M3 to have a noticeable advantage (braking, cornering, and tire wear).

I would consider an M2 for a dedicated track car if it weighs less than 3,400lbs.

3,400lb track car? Your money is better spent on a used Cayman S.

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by cSurf

3,400lb track car? Your money is better spent on a used Cayman S.

Or an s2000, or an e36 m3, or a c5 z06 or a million other choices

And yes, I've tracked multiple m cars on track. Good, but not ideal for a track car.

[Roundown]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

Or an s2000, or an e36 m3, or a c5 z06 or a million other choices

And yes, I've tracked multiple m cars on track. Good, but not ideal for a track car.

Don't get me wrong, occasionally tracking an M car makes sense. But I'd be surprised if anyone bought one as a "dedicated" track car.

[JNoSol]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

Or an s2000, or an e36 m3, or a c5 z06 or a million other choices

And yes, I've tracked multiple m cars on track. Good, but not ideal for a track car.

It has to be a BMW. I went through 8 new BMWs in the last 6yrs, I would not buy another brand (unless it's a Porsche GT3). Yes, other people would buy a lot of other brands for their money. Plus, my circle of buddies are BMW track junkies.

I have a 6GC m-Sport as well, it's my daily. I get sick of the ignorant guys at the car show saying "Why didn't you just buy a GTR for the same price?" Or "You could've bought a 911 S." "You could've gotten a C7 Z06." Yeah, yeah... There's lots of other cars I could've bought for around $90k, but I like my BMWs just fine.

Even at 3,400lbs, with full stripped interior and flexi glass it can get to 3,200lbs (fun zone)..

Ummm... Lots of people make M cars dedicated track cars. A few of my buddies bought the E9x M3 and 1M when they first came out, strip them the first week.

Other people golf, gamble, and have lots of kids with their money. I respect their hobbies and priorities. I like driving fun cars.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

Or an s2000, or an e36 m3, or a c5 z06 or a million other choices

And yes, I've tracked multiple m cars on track. Good, but not ideal for a track car.

Originally Posted by cSurf

Don't get me wrong, occasionally tracking an M car makes sense. But I'd be surprised if anyone bought one as a "dedicated" track car.

Perhaps the M235 Racing is intended to give people a track ready car from BMW right out of the box - I know what you're both saying, and I have only auto crossed a few times - but to me, it was fun getting out there and doing it in my daily driver. That's what made it fun.

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by JNoSol

Even at 3,400lbs, with full stripped interior and flexi glass it can get to 3,200lbs (fun zone)..

Ummm... Lots of people make M cars dedicated track cars. A few of my buddies bought the E9x M3 and 1M when they first came out, strip them the first week.

there really aren't that many. most of the best drivers that seriously track their cars don't track a car like a new m3 for two reasons. one, even with weight loss its very heavy. two, its very expensive for a track car. not many people can afford to write off a 50k car. maybe you can?

lightweight cars are more fun on track in my and everyone I knows experience, and 3400 lbs is far from lightweight, but to each their own.

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Perhaps the M235 Racing is intended to give people a track ready car from BMW right out of the box - I know what you're both saying, and I have only auto crossed a few times - but to me, it was fun getting out there and doing it in my daily driver. That's what made it fun.

sure, of course its fun for some light and fun track time. but like I said above, an actual dedicated track car ideally is less expensive, isn't burdened with tech and luxury features that are useless in a track car, and isn't 3400 lbs. great track cars are 3000 lbs or far less.