[Eau_Rouge111]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Mine will not.. thank you very much.

I personally know of two M4 GTS owners that track their vehicles ..

There are at least 3-4 M4 GTS owners using and they are in these forums.(not being the two that I know) and use theirs as a daily driver and or track vehicle.

PS... I am the OWNER of a Limited production vehicle. Only 740 made. and my car isn't in a museum either..

I got my 1M by reading the tea leaves and not just sitting and waiting for " official confirmation from BMW like GimmeanM

That's the way it should be...my M Coupes get driven as the BMW God's intended. Wish more people would do that. Cheers!

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

This idiot has a #1 slot. Money down since March 2016 😀

Calling BS on money down for CS in March 2016. You probably initially told your dealer you wanted a non-existent, potentially upcoming "lightweight" CSL model. Then you changed your order when that was not forthcoming.

[Bimmed Out]

Originally Posted by bklounge

GTS/CSL, it's the same thing.

No.

Originally Posted by KevinM

A manual CS will be high on my list for my next car.

This. The GTS will be an auto tranny, so I'll stick with the 6MT CS.

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Loved the Cayman...but having a P-car is quite the commitment. I was approaching the 20K service, and needed tires, and the quoted prices at the dealer made my eyes water.

Good learning lesson for you. Best to research such things before getting into a new car. Owner costs are to be expected but what you learn over time with Porsches is that while they are way more practical than Ferraris and Lambos, they are nowhere near as practical as Ms.

Originally Posted by IB M

Agree. Funny though if BMW makes 999 M2GTS they will sell every one, if they don't limit production I bet they wouldn't sell more than 500.
People want what they think they can't have.

True to a degree, though it depends on the reviews. I think this is dead on with the M4 GTS. But my bet is that the M2 GTS reviews will be better, mostly because the M2 is smaller, lighter, nimbler and the engine upgrade will be greater.

Originally Posted by Nordkeyz73

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say M2 CS will have a manual option, while GTS is DCT only.

I would imagine this is what most of us expect (though maybe you were being sarcastic). I hope the CS is manual only. Though this is unlikely, it would make it more special. This was certainly the case with the GT4.

Originally Posted by Gatte

if BMW was really trying to look out for the enthusiasts, they should be making these cars with a manual transmission (Not saying that people buying DCTs are not enthusiasts).

I agree; and this is consistent with my previous comment.

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Don't believe the hype - that "customers don't want manuals " ... in sports cars.

Manufacturers have been trying hard to sell sports car customers on their autoboxes with fancy names like " Tiptronic" and "DCT... and after decades they even made the autobox faster than a manual.

And yet still... Spots car Customers are leading a REVOLT and manufacturers are having to give way... and continue to offer manuals.

Best part of this thread ^^^.

Originally Posted by medphysdave

I still can't believe how many idiots put down a deposit over a year in advance for a non existent car. All of those unscrupulous dealers taking advantage of people.

Originally Posted by medphysdave

This idiot has a #1 slot. Money down since March 2016 ��

I had a snarky response ready but then saw your follow-up post. Pretty funny. Good luck to both of us.

Originally Posted by zenmaster

Calling BS on money down for CS in March 2016. You probably initially told your dealer you wanted a non-existent, potentially upcoming "lightweight" CSL model. Then you changed your order when that was not forthcoming.

I became #1 on my dealer's list for "M2 CS/CSL" in July of 2015. Call BS as loud as you like, I won't hear you.

[scott@bmwhn]

Am I the only one wondering if this these moves GTS/S55/etc.. are being made in part for homologation to set the stage for the M2 racecar as a successor to the M6?!?!?

(strictly off the top of my head) The timing seems to fit similar to the E9x M3/E89 racecars.

[GimmeanM]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

This idiot has a #1 slot. Money down since March 2016 😀

Originally Posted by zenmaster

Calling BS on money down for CS in March 2016. You probably initially told your dealer you wanted a non-existent, potentially upcoming "lightweight" CSL model. Then you changed your order when that was not forthcoming.

[QUOTE=medphysdave;21548028]

Originally Posted by GimmeanM

It's an unfortunate necessity in this case. If the regular M2 is as difficult to get as it is, then any sort of special edition will be even more so. You'll need to be close to first on the list with money on the table.

I work for a center, so that should be said. When I saw initial rumors back in May 2016 I put my name on the list and I was the first to do so. It was not for a M2CSL or otherwise, but rather a 'Special Edition' M2. No money was put down at that time. There are probably 6 or 7 people on our list now, not sure.
I'm also pretty sure I'm not an idiot, although I could be wrong on that. I was also reading the tea leaves, @M3Adjuster My comments towards 'waiting for official announcement' were not in regards to purchasing, but rather towards how it was going to be equipped. I didn't see the point in going back and forth and guessing on all of the details when the reality is very few people here are actually in the know. ...just waiting to see how it's all going to unfold; MT/DCT/CS/CSL/GTS/$80K/$100K...and so on.

Not sure where all the aggression is coming from?

[medphysdave]

I tried for Euro delivery since I anticipated summer 2018/19 for delivery, but that sounds like a no go. I'm at least getting it at MSRP, and I think that will end up being a win.

[StefanV]

heyyyy... what about my M2 LCI?! why is not in the list?!

[quikM2]

Are they ever going to put all wheel drive on something other than the bloated M5? sigh

[ZilberGrau ZHP]

Originally Posted by StefanV

heyyyy... what about my M2 LCI?! why is not in the list?!

Yes While all the HP and higher torque is needed to distance itself from the very capable M240- I am waiting for an update to the dreadful Idrive MMI.
Germans and their software... wayyy to many steps to achieve simple tasks, voice command is hit and miss at best (some of you will say it works all the time some will say rarely) and then i was just told by my BMW dealer (they tried to make it work) that the BMW app on my iphone will not connect to my 435 GC- again "sometimes it just doesn't work with certain cars..." What BS on a 70k car! If only BMWs electronics can work as well as the 2015 Dodge RAM that my daughter has and the 2016
KIA that one of my employees have.

Oh and the sound system in all 2,3,4 series suck- I had to throw that in too.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Stu Pedasho

It's a race car. A track car. Can't pick up chicks in it. They hate those seat belts.

Not the chicks I know ...

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

I still can't believe how many idiots put down a deposit over a year in advance for a non existent car. All of those unscrupulous dealers taking advantage of people.

Are you referring to Tesla ??

BMW dealership deposits are refundable- even on non existent cars. So who does it hurt to take a deposit ? :

[Matski]

.. oops, double post

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Are you referring to Tesla ??

BMW dealership deposits are refundable- even on non existent cars. So who does it hurt to take a deposit ? :

Haha, it was a joke. I've had a deposit down since March 2016. #1 on the list baby!

[Matski]

Originally Posted by scott@bmwhn

Am I the only one wondering if this these moves GTS/S55/etc.. are being made in part for homologation to set the stage for the M2 racecar as a successor to the M6?!?!?

There is pretty much 0.0% chance of this being the case.

They wouldn't race the M4 in GT4, and the M2 in GT3 - if the engine is up to it, they'd already be racing the M4 in GT3.

The M6 GT3 is likely to be replaced by whatever they use for the WEC next year - the mostly likely rumour on that, is it will be an 8 Series...

I also can't seem them confusing the message of the M235iR cup car by having a top line 2 series racer as well.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by the_lowman

Thanks for the heads-up.

Added that new video to the dedicated M2 & M2 CS test mule videos compilation thread (see here).

[ACZakka325i]

Am i the earliest in line for this car?

Who can beat August of 2015?!

[W///]

Originally Posted by Black Gold

What about manual availability on the cs?

Haven't seen anything to point that it would be available unfortunately, but I'm not that positive about that part. I guess we'll learn more when M4CS comes out, but as I said, I have not seen one shred of evidence of the GTS. Would definitely love to see one though.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by W///

Haven't seen anything to point that it would be available unfortunately, but I'm not that positive about that part. I guess we'll learn more when M4CS comes out, but as I said, I have not seen one shred of evidence of the GTS. Would definitely love to see one though.

I am not sure that any of this counts as solid evidence but there was a post in 2er talk that someone saw the M2 CS test mule outside the BMW Garching plant. The interior was completely covered but it did have a manual transmission.

[Bimmed Out]

Originally Posted by ACZakka325i

Am i the earliest in line for this car?

Who can beat August of 2015?!

You must have missed my post above –- #113.

[marcusfva]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Thanks for the heads-up.

Added that new video to the dedicated M2 & M2 CS test mule videos compilation thread (see here).

Does the S55 make the same sound rising the gas pedal (0m28s/1m06s in the video)? It's very similar to the N55. Ok, in acceleration it is evident that is not the N55. Could be the B58?

[m4282]

By creating a m2gts BMW will destroy the m4gts. Heck even the m2cs will destroy the m4cs or m4 comp- why make this with the s55?? Are they trying to get rid of the m4? I like the m2 but the interior was ridiculously cheap......but with this engine upgrade I'm sure that won't matter.

Only thing m4 will be good for is for leather seats...

[W///]

Originally Posted by m4282

By creating a m2gts BMW will destroy the m4gts. Heck even the m2cs will destroy the m4cs or m4 comp- why make this with the s55?? Are they trying to get rid of the m4? I like the m2 but the interior was ridiculously cheap......but with this engine upgrade I'm sure that won't matter.

Only thing m4 will be good for is for leather seats...

What makes you say that? Just because it has the same engine doesn't mean it'll have the same output, nor has it been confirmed that the GTS (if there is such a thing) will get a water injection system.

There are plenty of ways to "neuter" a car. Look at the GT4. They cranked that 3.8L engine way down.